Only one of them clubs something white though....

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I miss my days at Ridgemoor Country Club in Harwood Heights, where I spent a lot of time in the 1990's thanks to a nice job perk.
This club is 90% old money & Brickhouse & Kupcinet were members there. I would see Brick at lunch frequently & he would throw back the Manhattans like water. The annual Jabberwocky Golf tournament was quite a thing, especially the Girls working a few of the holes, if you pardon the expression.
I once saw a guy win a brand new Lexus by getting a hole in one. I also played in a foursome with a guy who overshot the 18th green & broke the huge window in the clubhouse that overlooks 18.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Trespassed on that course many, many times as a youth. So much urinating...

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Fuck that shit. Caddies play on Mondays. Women play on Thursdays. But only with their husbands.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

While it is a private club, are we still living in the dark ages and expected to remain subserviant or not question it? It's 2012, stop trying to act like you are better and holier then thou.

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Those exist because often the boys team will not let them play on that team. Some of the teams at the HS down the road for me are mixed because there are girls that are that good and talanted at the sport so they allow them to play based on that, not just because they have to fill a qouta.

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Fine they arent the KKK


Although I would wager NSJ and Dr Ken's combined salaries that there has been some spillover in membership from one private club to another

It depends on what sport and the level of the competition but in general women basically wouldn't have sports to play if not for women's sports and it's not because of any bias. It's because that men have certain advantages that all but the truly elite womens athletes can't overcome. If there were truly women that could compete with men in sports like high school basketball they'd be there making the team better.

That's why in college that elite national championship winning womens teams scrimmage against walk-on level college men and the games are competitive for practice.

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It is a private club, period. If a group of women, or Jews, or blacks, or whoever want to socialize in private, why shouldn't they have the right to do so?

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They could also play their tournament in private without sponsors.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I will accept this as admitting you were wrong.

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Why do we care about female participation at Augusta? No one cares that there are no female GM's and coaches in pretty much any sport that people care about. No one cares that there are very few female owners, as those that are pretty much inherited them and let others make the important decisions. There is likely more female participation at Augusta than your average NFL or MLB organization.

Of all the causes to take, trying to get a millionaire woman into a club of millionaire men seems pretty stupid to care about.

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Why limit it to safeties? why not include linebackers or defensive tackles?

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Come on, BRick. You know exactly why. Golf is used practically and symbolically to conduct business at the highest levels. The fact that women would be excluded from participating is a panel in the glass ceiling. There is NO female participation at Augusta other than being someone who regularly gives blowjobs to a member. That's a lot different than the scarcity of female executives in the NFL. It's a prohibition.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Are you telling me that the female CEO of IBM will somehow be limited in doing business because she's not a member? I think she'll be just fine. In fact, I'm pretty sure if Augusta completely cut off IBM because they hired a woman CEO they'd find a way to do business still.

But, let's just play this out. Let's say that Augusta allows a woman to be a member. What changes? How are things different? Those same men who hate females won't suddenly start doing business with her because a club said she's a member. The other members, who don't hate women, would have done business with her either way, even if it meant that they had to do it in a local restaurant or a board room. This won't change anything.

In fact, women are already on pace to make more than men by 2028. The divide is closing and women are already well past whatever symbolic meaning this would have.

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I dont think Augusta is really a private club. Technically maybe. But they have a pretty public presence. Before 1990 members of the PGA tour couldnt get membership there, yet they hosted and benefitted from the biggest PGA tournament.

No, that's not what I'm telling you. And you also know it's a complete strawman (or strawwoman as the case may be) argument to focus on a solitary female who achieved a CEO position. The fact is women are being excluded from the kind of business bonding that occurs during a round of golf.

Personally, I think that bonding experience becomes different as soon as women are invited to participate. And that's the crux of the whole thing.

Finally, I think any black man with the means to be accepted at Augusta would be "just fine" were it otherwise as well. That doesn't make his exclusion moral. It just means some KKK members don't want to share a clubhouse with a brother.



You're not really suggesting that women have anywhere near the power in business or society as men or that they will in 16 years, are you?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You are free to misinterpret it.

I never legitmately meant they were equal to the KKK. But that doesnt mean what they do is right or their standing as a "private club" is warranted.


You can justify what they do because it's legal. I dont really care that its legal. No one is saying theyre breaking the law.

What they do is wrong and stupid and being labeled a private club is hilarious.

Because women are allowed to be GM's and coaches. Kim Ng will be breaking that barrier very soon.

I think we can all agree that segregation by race is wrong but I can give you a lot of acceptable segregation by gender, unless of course you are fine with using the same bathrooms, no same sex schools, and no same sex sporting teams/leagues. It's just not comparable and there are real legitimate reasons why separation is allowed for gender. I'm not trying to sound like a caveman, but it even comes down to the fact that sometimes men just want to hang out with other men. I don't think it's any more fair to force a club to accept women as it would be to force people to have any meal over 4 people with at least one woman. The business you refer to would just take place that way if the person is such a chauvanist that they didn't want to do business with women.

We aren't really arguing about access to business here.

In 16 years why not? Lower and middle management are filled with women and as they continue to outperform men in school they'll raise up. Where do you think that statistic comes from? Women are getting higher paying jobs in higher positions. The number of CEO's is raising very rapidly. The number of women in professional positions such as doctor and lawyer is also as high as it's ever been.

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So because someone can technically get to that position we should completely ignore the lack of participation?

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If Augusta was just a golf club that didnt host the Masters and pimp itself through CBS, the whole "let us have our private club how we want it" a little more tolerable to me.

Agreed with most everything you said up until this.

It has around 300 members...invite only...it doesn't get any more private than that.

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Cmon man, thats ridiculous. Not what I said or meant.


I didnt say that those situations were great. But they are unquestionably better than a place that doesnt allow women by rule.

The Masters, which is a large portion of the reason people even care about this place, is the opposite of private. They benefit so much off an event thats so public. That is my point.

Well, CBS and any sponsor is free to walk away from it, and you are free not to watch in protest that a millionaire woman can only play golf there as a guest. I don't really care. Just remember to think twice the next time you just want to hang out with the guys. Shouldn't you be inviting a woman to be fair?

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This discovery that the Masters and Augusta National aren't private has me excited.

Let's get a foursome and roadtrip this bitch.

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The best women track athletes in the world can not even meet the automatic high school Boys qualifying standards for state in Class 3a in Illinois.

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