That's why I asked for proof of it the other way. I'm pretty sure that smoking does not in fact lower your risk of stroke or heart disease. What are the positive health effects of marijuana usage for the general population? I just posted a pretty big one for alcohol.

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Wonder if Mac

(i) continues to smoke cigarettes while supposedly getting 'clean' of alcohol and weed;

(ii) if this is kosher with his starting lineup of doctors, or do they simply tolerate/allow it.

This is all complete bullshit if dude still smokes cigarettes. Way worse than alcohol or weed.

Just proves that you have to want to make change for yourself. QFA rehab centers are popping up everywhere these days. (not making light of addictions or problems here)

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You keep ignoring the very important point that your version of responsible drinking is NOT reccommedned by Doctors.

The type of drinking reccommended by DR's is NOT what were talking about and you know it.


So, you believe that we know all that we'll ever know about Marijuana?

I think that is rather ridiculous.

Surely you must go out to dinner & see a restaurant full of people eating & enjoying a glass or 2 of wine or a cocktail. How many of them are hammered? Most likely you wont notice anyone who is.

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It doesn't in fact lower your risks. It may lower your risks. That's not a semantics argument either. You will in fact die today is much different than you may die today.

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actually I dont think many people have two.

I think once you have two, you'll probably have 3 or 4 or else you would have stopped at 1.


You assume all those people stop at 2?

I never said all responsible drinking had positive health effects. Some of it does. Some of it has no positive or negative health effects. Most of the negative health effects come from irresponsible drinking. I don't really know what you are arguing here. All use of marijuana has negative health effects. Some use of alcohol has positive health effects, and even more has equal negative and positive health effects.

Where did I say that? I'm saying marijuana is still studied by researchers and doctors. It's one of the biggest drugs used in the country. It's not like the medical community has to pretend it doesn't exist because it's illegal.

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What does that even mean?

Are you arguing that there is not medically sound research that moderate alcohol use lowers your risks of certain health issues? Sorry, I'll trust the medical community on this one.

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It means what it says. You were wrong to state that as your evidence. It's not definitive whatsoever.

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I haven't done medical research on this, but I've never really heard consumption of beer to have positive effects. I've always heard that a glass or two of wine can reduce heart attacks risks because of the antioxidents. Am I wrong on this?

I won't getting into smoking cigs or weed. I just refuse to smoke anything due to my severe asthma so you know which side of the argument I'd fall on.

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For me this debate has never been.

Huge Stoner vs. Woman who drinks one glass of wine a night.


Im saying your one glass has positive effects is irrelavant because thats not the debate.

The debate is

People who casually drink (5 or 6 drinks, once or twice a week) vs. people that casually smoke weed(2 or 3 bowls on the weekend).


And saying

All use of marijuana has negative health effects

is not true. Unless you are mistakenly assuming all marijuana is smoked.



No, but if it were legal, they might be inclined to find reasons to prescribe it. They tend to do that with drugs.

Who gives a shit what a bunch of Pfizer-sponsored snake-oil salesmen have to say about anything.



Only doctors worth a damn are surgeons. The rest could disappear tomorrow and the country would be better off for it.

My Wife & I & friends of ours go out to eat all the time & everyone has 1 or 2 drinks over the course of a couple of hours. 5 or 6 people & we'll buy 1 bottle of wine, & when its gone its gone. Same with my business dinners. I probably attend 50+ business dinners per year, & it is rare that someone goes overboard & drinks too much at dinner. People are concerned with being on their game so moderation is the norm.
I'm not sure what kind of places you eat at. You act like no one can have just 1 or 2 drinks & stop.

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I'll stick with the medical community that thinks there are positive health effects for moderate alcohol use. Feel free to show me comparable thought for marijuana.

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Explain.

In general, wine is considered better, but there is evidence that beer, wine, and spirits all have positive health effects in moderation due to the actual alcohol.

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Are you saying that the alcohol drinker here would be putting his health in more danger?
There are still chemicals in marijuana that are bad for you.

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With all the corrollarys that go along with such drinking? Certainly.

Fights, Bars, Driving, Liver, weightgain, etc



Just like there are still things in the drink that you consider so healthy, that are bad for you.

No alcoholic drink has 100% positive effect on your body.

After reading this entire thread, I'm convinced that depression is a real thing.

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The $$$$$$$$$'s saved alone would be a gigantic boon to the economy. Don't see the value in a bunch of pill-pushers prescribing whatever their masters at Pfizer, Merck and Eli Lilly want pushed today. A generation ago they'd hand out free cigarette samples (thanks to tobacco company kick-backs) and we're supposed to believe them when they try to push pills today.

Disconnect a doctor's earning potential from his pill-pushing and he'll put away the script pad and start practicing actual medicine.

I don't see how physicians can reconcile prescribing medications with mile long lists of side-effects and the hippocratic oath's (and common sense's) primary dictate/golden rule of "do no harm". $$$$$$$?

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From 5 beers? Wow. Also, I do have to laugh that you listed "Bars" as a bad side effect of alcohol.
That's true, but alcohol has been shown to have a positive health effect in certain use cases.

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Why do you keep misstating their position if you're sticking with them?

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There are just as many bad things associated with weed too.


And @Dr Ken

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Im sorry, I didnt realize you were such an abusive drinker.

Plug in how ever many beers it would take you to make bad decisions.

And yes, 5 beers a couple times a week will certainly hurt your liver and you'll probably gain weight unless you work out a lot.

And yes, Bars are places where bad things happen. Cause you have a bunch of drunks together. Thats not a problem for the smokers.


Apology Accepted.

Weed is a depressant and any medical professional will tell you that. With Dan using it as a copying mechanism for depression it was a hole he was never going to get out of.

Im glad he's clean and it wont be easy but understanding how the mind and body reacts to what you put in it is half the battle .

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So I think what I've learned from this thread is that moderation of any kind is good, no matter what you're doing?


What about sex addicts? How does too much sex affect your body?

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