We dont live in a world of Should's IMU

Especially in business.

Step 1: Insult the intelligence of a group to start a sentence.
Step 2: Misuse a concept and show a lack of understanding to end a sentence.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I get what you are saying here, but that is just not the way it works. Ozzie is the face of the Marlins. Doesn't matter if he likes it or not, whether you like it or not, its just the way it is. When the most recognizable part of your organization (or company) says or does something that upsets an entire race, creed, religion, color, or nationality of people, heads are more than likely gonna roll.

And nobody is infringing on Ozzie's 1st Amendment rights. He can say whatever he wants. He can also suffer the consequences of saying whatever he wants.

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What about the non americans? Are there views more intelligent?

Anyways, he's free to say what he wants in his free time but the Marlins Organization is not America and he is not afforded free speech at work.

They can control his message as long as they employ him and if he doesnt like it, they can fire him.

Miller Lite fires people if they catch them drinking Budweiser.

I love the irony of this post. Before disparaging the intelligence of others you might want to double check what the 1st amendment protections actually are and where they apply. The government isnt oppressing any of Ozzie's rights.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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The first amendment doesn't apply here, Tom Morello.
And I'm pretty sure it's Ozzie's ignorance, not everyone else's, that caused this.

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Yeah, My brother did a project for them and he and his teammates were subject to the same rules during that project or they'd be replaced.


Pretty sure Coke and Pepsi have similiar stuff.

Stop infringing on IMU's first amendment rights.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

My roommate works at Pepsi...you're correct rpb. They even stop for lunch at McDonald's because they only have Coke. On like his 4th day, still orientation, he brought his lunch to work. He had to throw his bottled water away because it wasn't Aquafina brand.

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Face of the franchise. Ask Cowley.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The always opinionated Keith Olbermann was on "The Dan Patrick Show" this morning. K.O., a big baseball fan himself, offered the following on Ozzie:

http://prod.danpatrick.com/2012/04/10/k ... -fan-base/

Yup. The lady friend works there.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

I think I douchebagged "people who don't understand their 1st ammendment rights" a few years back.
Google doesn't teach application of law?

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Is this clever? Do I have a constitutional right to set your computer on kill mode?

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That wasn't one of Radiohead's better songs, the video that song was for.

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It took just the Marlins management not even a week to shut his ass up!While Kenny and the Chairman put up with his and he's kids bullshit for 7 years. Kudos to the Marlins management

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I don't think they shut him up, Walt. In fact, I don't believe this "has a half-life" as bernstein suggested. It looks like there's a good chance he might be chased out of Miami yet.

The one place where Ozzie could work and get away with being Ozzie, he burned that bridge. Maybe he wants to rethink what he told Cowley last week. The grass ain't always greener. I bet Kenny Williams pointing out how goddamn dumb your kids are looks like a picnic right about now.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Regarding the First Amendment: People use that comeback all the time, that it only applies as protection from the government. While that is technically true, it ignores the big picture. Free speech is (allegedly) a fundamental and highly-regarded part of our society. That includes, and is mainly intended for, unpopular speech. To respond to unpopular speech by bullying organizations to fire people, bullying advertisers to drop someone, and launching campaigns and protests and boycotts to shut someone up, is most certainly against the spirit of the First Amendment. If one truly believes in freedom of speech, they would not resort to, or defend, such counter-tactics.

What if a college hired a new head football coach and that coach said he admired and respected Jerry Sandusky? I don't think it would be anti-first amendment to call for his firing. As long as the government doesn't overstep it's bounds, I see no problem at all in private corporations/companies/institutions making the best business decisions possible when it comes to who they let represent them.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

To take it further, I don't think that people in those situations are actually being fired because of what they say, but rather, for being dumb enough to say it.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Hitting businesses where it hurts is the most effective way to get things to change or make statement. I doubt you believe blacks were wrong for boycotting so why would you feel differently about any other group? The loss of money will get results.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Well, I was careful not to include among my examples disciplining or firing an employee or associate, as that is a different situation. Anyone has the right to disassociate themselves from someone else. But to call for someone's firing, as a third party, is where I think a line is crossed. Now you've gone from saying "I don't want to be associated with that speech" to "I want him to be shut up".

Now granted, it's a fine line. I would understand if someone who is offended decides they don't want to do business with the offending party, and a boycott is pretty much just an organized version of that. But when it gets into threats like, we're going to smear you until you fire who we want you to fire, now you're getting into extortion territory. I don't know; I think people need to be more practiced in being offended to we can become a bit more desensitized to it. I always fall back on the philosophy of John Stuart Mill and others, better to let a fool speak and demonstrate the idiocy of his argument, than to shut him up.

Nas, I'm not sure if there's a specific example you are referring to, but I would think there's a difference between boycotting with the goal of gaining deserved civil rights, rather than just to shut someone up. I may have misunderstood you though.

Ozzie's right to free speech is no bigger or smaller than anyone elses. Therefore, it doesn't violate the spirit of free speech to use your own speech against another persons speech.
In fact, it's exactly within the spirit of the First Amendment because the First Amendment also grants the right to assemble and petition. If you are going to extend the spirit of free speech to this situation you must also extend the spirit of the rest of the Amendment.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with being stupid.

Robin Ventura has every right to admire the Klan, but would be stupid to express those thoughts "freely"

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I can't believe he played the "It wouldn't have sounded like that in Spanish, I just meant I was surprised he was alive". First of all, how long has Ozzie been here? You'd think in the 20+ years he's been in America he'd have a sufficient knowledge of the English language to avoid accidentally saying "I love Fidel Castro". The translation between "I love Fidel Castro" and the Spanish version of "I love Fidel Castro" is basically the exact same. A level 1 high school spanish class could easily say those statements and understand them.

It was the best excuse he could have used but no one is going to buy it. He better be on good behavior for a long time, or the Marlins better have a really good season.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

32 years.

Ozzie has been in this country longer than I have.


Also, he said it to Telander a few years ago. Language Barrier both times?

I've been an apologist for Ozzie before at times but i hope this doesn't end up costing him his job. He seemed legitimately sorry. I think it was just a matter of ignorance. I don't think he realized the negative impact Castro had on so many. Hopefully he learns a lesson about spouting off uninformed opinions from this.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

No. His excuse was that he did know how bad Castro was. It was just a failed translation from Spanish in his head to English out of his mouth.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'm not talking about his excuse. I'm just saying what my perception of what actually happened was.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Ozzie isn't a particularly smart man.
And that's about all we need to say.

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