It is currently Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:33 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:35 pm
Posts: 4896
Location: Division 1 Cook County Jail
pizza_Place: NEW YORK STYLE PEPPERONI FROM LOMBARDI'S IN MANHATTAN.
Hope Greg Walker is laughing his ass off now!!!!

_________________
There goes one over the fence..Tru Link Fence..Beauty, Privacy Security....Call Tru Link.
Murph's Union 76 Truck Stop....A great Thanksgiving Tradition!!!!

WOO LIFE!!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:57 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79557
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
I don't think he's laughing too hard, Bob. His team is hitting about as poorly as the Sox.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:05 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:35 pm
Posts: 4896
Location: Division 1 Cook County Jail
pizza_Place: NEW YORK STYLE PEPPERONI FROM LOMBARDI'S IN MANHATTAN.
Can't wait until BASEBALL STATHEAD EXPERT DAN BERNSTEIN discusses the STRIKEOUT as not really such a bad thing STATISTICALLY again!!!!

_________________
There goes one over the fence..Tru Link Fence..Beauty, Privacy Security....Call Tru Link.
Murph's Union 76 Truck Stop....A great Thanksgiving Tradition!!!!

WOO LIFE!!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:15 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:16 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:17 pm
Posts: 17678
Location: The Leviathan
pizza_Place: Frozen
Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to sort of disagree with you there...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:35 pm
Posts: 4896
Location: Division 1 Cook County Jail
pizza_Place: NEW YORK STYLE PEPPERONI FROM LOMBARDI'S IN MANHATTAN.
Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.


Can't wait until he tells us how overrated batting average is as a STATISTIC.
After all, who wants to see hits?
Real Baseball EXPERTS sit and spank the monkey waiting for those two walks and the 3 run homer!!!!

_________________
There goes one over the fence..Tru Link Fence..Beauty, Privacy Security....Call Tru Link.
Murph's Union 76 Truck Stop....A great Thanksgiving Tradition!!!!

WOO LIFE!!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:41 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:35 pm
Posts: 4896
Location: Division 1 Cook County Jail
pizza_Place: NEW YORK STYLE PEPPERONI FROM LOMBARDI'S IN MANHATTAN.
Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.

And if there is a dropped third strike, the batter can get on base!!!!!!!

_________________
There goes one over the fence..Tru Link Fence..Beauty, Privacy Security....Call Tru Link.
Murph's Union 76 Truck Stop....A great Thanksgiving Tradition!!!!

WOO LIFE!!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:45 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:35 pm
Posts: 4896
Location: Division 1 Cook County Jail
pizza_Place: NEW YORK STYLE PEPPERONI FROM LOMBARDI'S IN MANHATTAN.
Perhaps POINDEXTER BERNSTEIN will someday compare and contrast the careers of one Frank Thomas as opposed to one OAF Dunn.

_________________
There goes one over the fence..Tru Link Fence..Beauty, Privacy Security....Call Tru Link.
Murph's Union 76 Truck Stop....A great Thanksgiving Tradition!!!!

WOO LIFE!!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:55 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19371
Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.


A strikeout is better than a double play, but at least by hitting the ball there is a chance for an error and getting on base.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:18 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79557
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
conns7901 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.


A strikeout is better than a double play, but at least by hitting the ball there is a chance for an error and getting on base.


There is a school of thought that batted balls are random. That being the case, a strikeout most certainly is far worse than any other kind of out. In fact, we could view any batted ball as a hit, with those being recorded as outs simply happening to go to the wrong place. This is the viewpoint often articulated by bernstein, although not in such a straightforward manner.

That's why I was so puzzled at his suggestion that Theo has somehow figured out a way to better position the fielders in order to eliminate a portion of this randomness.

I am further puzzled by bernstein's conclusion that Alejandro DeAza is "bad at baseball" because of his high OBP (his view being that it couldn't possibly be legitimate since it is largely being driven by an inordinately high BABIP) when his logic for Juan Pierre being "bad at baseball" was the fact that his OBP was "too low" when, in fact, it was slightly better than average.

Conclusion: li'l danny bernstein is confused.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
Alternate conclusion: JORR spends way too much time and energy caring what Dan BernStine thinks.

:D

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:47 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79557
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Alternate conclusion: JORR spends way too much time and energy caring what Dan BernStine thinks.

:D


Not really. I just find it interesting when guys repeat shit they read on Baseball Prospectus without really thinking about what they're saying. bernstein is just one of them. And one you guys all hear and know.

I don't consider it a bersntein discussion. It's a baseball discussion. While there is obviously some level of randomness to batted balls, I don't think it is anywhere close to what certain members of the SABRmetric community have suggested. Apparently, bernstein agrees with me since he believes fielders can be positioned in a manner to help them make more plays, which suggests that there is- at very least- a likelihood that a ball batted by a particular hitter off a pitch in a certain location will end up in specific places on the field far more often than others.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:51 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82222
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.


A strikeout is better than a double play, but at least by hitting the ball there is a chance for an error and getting on base.


There is a school of thought that batted balls are random. That being the case, a strikeout most certainly is far worse than any other kind of out. In fact, we could view any batted ball as a hit, with those being recorded as outs simply happening to go to the wrong place. This is the viewpoint often articulated by bernstein, although not in such a straightforward manner..


The defensive response to a strikeout being no worse than any other out should be that strikeouts are valued no higher for a pitcher than any other out, but that is clearly not true either in theory or practice. The KO is the defensive statistical ideal. This is statistics. The equation has to balance.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:23 pm
Posts: 7415
Location: Liquor in the front, Poker in the rear
pizza_Place: Lou's, Pequod's
Some guys, like Ichiro, sustain high BABIP their whole career. Usually guys with speed, so DeAza somewhat fits that mold.

Bernstein, as has been mentioned, is just parroting thoughts.

_________________
1926-1931-1934-1942-1944-1946-1964-1967-1982-2006-2011


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:55 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 7:00 pm
Posts: 40983
Location: Chicago
pizza_Place: Lou Malanati's
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't think he's laughing too hard, Bob. His team is hitting about as poorly as the Sox.


Because have the Braves have been a terrible organization and always hire bad coaches.

Braves have won 5 of last 6 and have been hitting very well after a terrible start. Heyward 10 for last 20.

The Braves are an example of a team that did start slow and are not bad.

The point being Dunn, Morrel, Bacon, Rios....this is what Kenny blamed Walker for...especially Bacon

_________________
"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:10 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:29 pm
Posts: 34795
pizza_Place: Al's Pizza
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
A strikeout is no worse than any other out.


A strikeout is better than a double play, but at least by hitting the ball there is a chance for an error and getting on base.


There is a school of thought that batted balls are random. That being the case, a strikeout most certainly is far worse than any other kind of out. In fact, we could view any batted ball as a hit, with those being recorded as outs simply happening to go to the wrong place. This is the viewpoint often articulated by bernstein, although not in such a straightforward manner.

That's why I was so puzzled at his suggestion that Theo has somehow figured out a way to better position the fielders in order to eliminate a portion of this randomness.

I am further puzzled by bernstein's conclusion that Alejandro DeAza is "bad at baseball" because of his high OBP (his view being that it couldn't possibly be legitimate since it is largely being driven by an inordinately high BABIP) when his logic for Juan Pierre being "bad at baseball" was the fact that his OBP was "too low" when, in fact, it was slightly better than average.

Conclusion: li'l danny bernstein is confused.


Does Bernsy think that Theo is sending smoke signals from his office between pitches?

_________________
Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

<º)))><

Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group