The giants may need to rent an arm. Word is Brian Wilson needs Tommy John surgery.

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3rd base power prospect! That's what is needed!

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Drew Storen is out for Washington. They have more options though.

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He still has value. When he's right very few pitchers are better.

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Agreed. I just don't know if he's ever going to be right again. If you aren't getting much in return anyway, I'd be willing to wait it out a few months and see.

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Agreed. Dumping him for crumbs is the Hendry way of doing things. That's not a lot of money for a closer. Being patient will pay off.

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You traded one season of Sean Marshall. A season where you would have had ZERO use for him.



And 16 Million over two years is not a ton of money. Not sure why its being treated as such.

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The list of contending teams with hurt closers continues....

Thanks for pointing that out

Francisco Rodriguez
Francisco Cordero
Jose Valverde
Heath Bell
Jonathan Papelbon
Brian Wilson
Mariano Rivera
Rafeal Soriano

All make more than Marmol. The other closers make slightly less or are on their rookie deal.

Its about the middle for a closer.


Not to mention, with no plans to spend on FA going into 2013, "getting rid" of Marmol's contract has even less value.


So I wholeheartedly disagree with you and the Sox troll that you take "anything" for Marmol.

Im willing to bet there is a team in contention this year, or next year, that will have intrest in Marmol.

His value increases as they get closer to the deadline. If the prospect is good enough I'm sure the Cubs would eat some of his salary.

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Who is the closer of the future for the Cubs? Beliveau? Dolis?

I have no problem dumping Marmol to cut payroll and give younger guys a chance, but there really isn't a power arm in the minors waiting to cut his teeth as a closer. The guy who was is now on the DL for the Red Sox. Not that it really matter because the Cubs will have very few games to close this year and next.

What is the benefit of trading him for nothing?

Saving 8 million dollars that they arent even gonna spend?

IMU there is absolutely no reason to sell this low. Waiting a few months or until next season won't really hurt them. He isn't blocking the path of anyone. Patience will likely pay off with a better prospect.

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Marmol is in line for some Tommy John surgery soon. With that delivery, its only a matter of time.

Im not thinking that way. Im thinking realistically.

They arent going to spend more in 2014 because they save on Marmol now. They'll put that in their pocket and make the 2014 payroll what they want regardless of Marmol.

So, seeing as there is no financial benefit to the team, Id say try and get something decent for him.

You're not thinking intelligently. You're being a little naive.

No organization is earmarking money for 2 years down the road. And saying that doesnt mean they dont want to win. It means the 2014 payroll will be determined completely independant of Marmol's status.

Anyway, I just disagree. I think its worth the risk of paying him out his two years to possibly get something decent for him. I dont think saving that money will affect the future payrolls.

No its based off of history. Both personal in my business and as a fan or MLB organizations and how they work.

If Marmol was signed thru 2015 then his leaving would probably affect the payroll. But he's not and it likely wont.

One of the most successful companies on earth.

And of course they budget. Earmarking a small part of the payroll for 2 years down the line is not how they operate.

I believe it will be much higher in 2012

But regardless, if you think that ANY proffessional owner is gonna take savings on a player and hold it to spend it two years later, I just disagree.

They could use the money to do something else. Maybe not use for some other salary, but use for another aspect of the organization for a facilities upgrade, ect. Or maybe stash is away so when they cut Soriano, they have money earmarked for it.

They could. I dont think they will and I dont think any big market MLB team thinks like that.

The best thing that could happen for trading Marmol is you have 2 contending teams (i.e. Giants and Reds) who have lost their closers and get in a bidding war to get another power arm in their pen.

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No, give him away for nothing is a better idea.

Before the season started...one of the radio shows were talking about "closers", and they threw some facts out about there were only 2 or 3 closers in all of MLB that had been the closer for their team for 2 years or more. Marmol was one of them. The other statement was something like well over half to 3/4 of MLB teams this year had a new closer.

Obviously not 100% on the facts.....but point of the matter is the closer role has become "high turnover" and to me, that makes Marmol more expendable from the cubs perspective, but less valuable on the open market too.

Teams are not going to give up a lot for marmol.

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I didnt say that.

I think you can get something of value for him. You disagree. We'll see what happens.

Your big money closer might be a thing of the past unless they're extremely unique closers.
Closers have like 1.5 good years and then they fall off the table for a few years then they come back.
it's rare that one will be good consistantly. It happens but it's very rare. More often than not paying big money to keep a closer doesn't work out. there are exceptions like I said but they're rare. Mamol might be on the way back up for now, but still way overvalued.

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I believe that means just the opposite. Since so many teams are changing closers frequently there are teams out there that would love to get some annual consistency out of that position.

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That's just wrong

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