FOX never had the side shot from the 1st base camera well. I'm assuming that the camera man decided to focus on Humber instead of the typical shot of the batter from the side. The shot that is always needed to show viewers in case there is a check swing.

But then I'm checking some web sites to see if a photographer got that shot. Can't find it.

I thought he checked his swing. It's not conclusive from the center field camera. I guess we'll never know. Nobody captured it. I'm happy he got the perfect game, obviously. I just want to see that angle.

Thread over. Thanks.

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Shut yo punk ass up...

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Typical awful Fox coverage. You can see some slowed gifs from alternate angles here: http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/4/22/2 ... rfect-game

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Thanks JORR. Clearly, the bat is out over the plate and is facing forward.

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Props to the umpire for making a definite authoritative call immediately.

I was listening to some local ESPN hack this morning and he was talking about an uproar from people complaining about the Seattle fans cheering for Humber from like the 6th inning on.

If that is true, that is stupid. Cheering for your team is great and all, but a perfect game is a historical moment and I do not blame the Seattle fans for cheering.

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It's a swing but let's not get crazy, that's hardly clear.

His hands went past his body anyway, doesn't really matter about the bat. Besides it's not like there's anything in the rulebook that defines what's a good check swing, only it's at the umpires discretion.

If I was just looking at this, I'd say he checked...but I've watched the video and the bat goes out even more than that...

If that's the case, then it is clear that it was a swing.

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Even if he checked, 26 outs in a row is very impressive.

I said it was a swing, just that the picture doesn't make it clear.

Looks like he held up.

Why would you cheer for a below average pitchers throwing a perfect game against your team?

Um maybe because you understand what a historical moment is and that very few people can claim to have watched one in person?

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I understand what you're saying, but I wouldn't want to see anyone do that to a team I root for. It appears to be happening more than it did in the past too.

The bat being over the plate is not the rule for calling a check swing a strike. I found this out a couple of years ago after hearing tons of baseball announcers misinform me.

How does an umpire make this call? I’ve heard: “It is a swing if the batter’s wrists break.” I’ve heard: “It is a swing if the bat crosses an invisible plane that extends across the front of home plate.” Do we really expect our umpires to see these things?

It's not made clear in the official major league baseball rules. Surprisingly, there is no mention of a “check swing” anywhere in the official rules of baseball. Rule 2.0 states that “A STRIKE is a legal pitch when so called by the umpire, which is struck at by the batter and is missed.” That’s what umpires are working with. Did the batter strike at the ball or did he not strike at the ball? It’s a judgment call. And, it’s an even tougher judgment call for umpires standing behind the mound.

Yeah, I'd imagine it would be difficult to try to call balls and strikes from there...

I'm talking about the 1st or 3rd base ump that are forced to make a call on these swings. They are behind the mound.

Apparently you and I have a different definition of behind...

When you're banging a hooker doggy style from a right or left angle, you're still behind her, technically. Did I say hooker? I meant girlfriend that loves you and doesn't make you pay for sex. That's what I meant.

I don't know how you can see the picture JORR posted and think that the call wasn't justified. It was a judgement call, and he judged it to be a swing worthy of a strike. Now, maybe you wouldn't have called it a strike but the justification is clearly there.

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Well I won't speak for others but I never said it wasn't justified...just saying when I watched it live, I thought he checked and only when viewing that video JORR posted and stopping it at just the perfect frame do I think he actually went around.

My idea of going means you break the 180 degree point by just a hair. Imagine the batter's swing as a complete 360 degree circle. Once they break 180, they have swung. It's that simple.

Now this doesn't mean breaking the line of the plate. That's an unfair marking point. Because some guys stand up in the box and would be more likely to break the front of the plate than those that stand all the way back.

In watching this youtube link, I still can't tell. If anything, I'd say he was exactly at 180 so it was ball four. It's too far of a vantage point to really be able to tell.

Jesus Christ on a crutch, I hate when we so completely agree on something...

That's not right though. A batter can "offer" at a bunt attempt without really swinging at all and have a strike called. Like you said, the rule isn't very explicit. It isn't crossing the plate with the bat. It isn't breaking the wrists. It's simply the umpire's discretion. And calling that a strike isn't controversial. Particularly in that situation. If he had called it ball four, it probably would have been more controversial.

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In my world, I consider bunts to be different than swings. You can tell if somebody offers at a bunt or not. Doesn't have to be past 180 on a bunt cuz sometimes your trying to put it down the line so the bat might be at 179 or 178 to do so. It's pretty clear when you offer at a bunt.

I agree he was right to call it a swing. Have to do that in a situation like that. I'm just saying that I don't think he swung and nothing I have seen has convinced me otherwise.