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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:09 pm 
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You have a sure thing player at a position of need with decastro. Instead you pull an Angelo sized reach. This just reeks of Angelo. If you wanted a pass rusher you should have done a small trade up for cooled or Ingram

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I don't know about the firing part - but this was bad. Trade down 10 picks and get him there and pick up a pick or two.

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Glad to see you on board. Shitcan his ass. That pick is malpractice. DeCastro was the best guard prospect since Steve Hutchinson and you let him get away to reach on a DE/OLB who doesn't fit into your scheme anyway. Fuck him. He's dead to me.

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I'll give Emery the benefit of the doubt since THIS is what we hired him for, but on paper this pick looks like dogshit.

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Seems to be a few higher impact players and much more a sure thing.

Same scouting staff, same head coach, same result.

Looks like 'Feeel' is the puppet we all thought?

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Glad to see you on board. Shitcan his ass. That pick is malpractice. DeCastro was the best guard prospect since Steve Hutchinson and you let him get away to reach on a DE/OLB who doesn't fit into your scheme anyway. Fuck him. He's dead to me.


Says the guy who said Tim Tebow would be a Pro Bowl QB by the end of his 3rd season.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire emery
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Would have much preferred decastro and trading 3 for umemiorra/freeny

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Would have much preferred decastro and trading 3 for umemiorra/freeny


FreeOsi's only pulling in about $4 mil, but he's on a contract year and will want Freeney money. Freeney's making $14 million this season.

I would've wanted DeCastro too, but do some homework before pulling names out of your ass.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire emery
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So, in conclusion, he does not make a crippling amount of money...and freeny got that money in his 20s. Thanks for your analysis

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Glad to see you on board. Shitcan his ass. That pick is malpractice. DeCastro was the best guard prospect since Steve Hutchinson and you let him get away to reach on a DE/OLB who doesn't fit into your scheme anyway. Fuck him. He's dead to me.


Says the guy who said Tim Tebow would be a Pro Bowl QB by the end of his 3rd season.

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I said he had a > 2% chance, and he got pretty damn close last year. Basically a bad game against Buffalo away from stealing the third spot. Easiest $500 I ever would have made in my life.

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Wanny Boy.

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So, in conclusion, he does not make a crippling amount of money...and freeny got that money in his 20s. Thanks for your analysis


I also appreciate your stalwart analysis of proposing goofy ass Madden trades.

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For God sakes...get off the ledge everyone. Lots of teams make questionable picks every year. Likewise, many teams get lucky with late rounders. No one knows how any of these guys will do. Take a look at some of the Patriots picks to see what I mean.
"Fire Emery" is meatballery at its worst.
The Bears have put together the best team they have had in many years. Enjoy it.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire emery
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If I might ask a simple question: who is actually deciding what player(s) to draft - New GM or Old Head Coach? It does seem a bit preposterous to draft that fella, insofar as Phil is concerned, but if Smith were to carry as much or more weight than Phil then the draft contextually makes sense - though it's still wrong, but it's more easily understood.

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Don Tiny wrote:
If I might ask a simple question: who is actually deciding what player(s) to draft - New GM or Old Head Coach? It does seem a bit preposterous to draft that fella, insofar as Phil is concerned, but if Smith were to carry as much or more weight than Phil then the draft contextually makes sense - though it's still wrong, but it's more easily understood.


Emery's answer for everything throughout the offseason is it's all about committee. Working as one unit, not about just one person.

Granted those are the kind of stock answers that the Bears ownership loves about him, but I'd have to argue it's true, and not an entirely bad idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire emery
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Lots of teams make questionable picks every year.


Not in the first round. Not every single year. Not after bringing in a "draft guru," only to keep following the same bad plan that consistently hasn't worked.

If nothing else, it was fun watching all of the "experts" be at almost a total loss because absolutely no one had this guy slated in that high spot for the Bears.

It shows that he's just a puppet.

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And Emery's quote " Maranelli says we've got a Monster of the Midway".

Jesus, what is this 1963?

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The thing is that it's still a bad move by Emery even if he's great. At the very least Emery could have moved back 5-6 spots, picked up an extra 4th or something, and still got his guy. Nobody was taking McClellin in the next 5-6 spots.

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The thing is that it's still a bad move by Emery even if he's great. At the very least Emery could have moved back 5-6 spots, picked up an extra 4th or something, and still got his guy. Nobody was taking McClellin in the next 5-6 spots.


If he turns out to be great, no one will care where he was drafted.

No one knows if anyone was taking him in the next 5-6 spots. None of us are privy to the information that people actually in an NFL draft room have.

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The thing is that it's still a bad move by Emery even if he's great. At the very least Emery could have moved back 5-6 spots, picked up an extra 4th or something, and still got his guy. Nobody was taking McClellin in the next 5-6 spots.


If he turns out to be great, no one will care where he was drafted.

No one knows if anyone was taking him in the next 5-6 spots. None of us are privy to the information that people actually in an NFL draft room have.

Obviously. But when every single person who's paid to cover this stuff says he wouldn't have I feel safe saying it.

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Obviously. But when every single person who's paid to cover this stuff says he wouldn't have I feel safe saying it.


Yes, because they are always right and know what they are talking about.

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If he turns out to be great, no one will care where he was drafted.

No one knows if anyone was taking him in the next 5-6 spots. None of us are privy to the information that people actually in an NFL draft room have.
If the Bears had drafted you with that pick you could say the same thing.

It's a terrible pick that has a chance to be average. The big problem is that it's highly unlikely this player will be great compared to other options.

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Obviously. But when every single person who's paid to cover this stuff says he wouldn't have I feel safe saying it.


Yes, because they are always right and know what they are talking about.

Actually yeah they do. We aren't talking about who will be great and who won't, we're talking about projecting. When every talking head everywhere says McClellin wouldnt have gone in the next 9 picks its usually a really high chance that he won't go in the next 5-6 spots.

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I think you have to take the best player available, while still considering your team needs. Falling in love with a guy is probably not the best way to go about your draft. Listening to Emery talk about him makes it sound like he fell in love with him.

Emery should also say that he is confident in the young man and that he will be a great addition to the roster.....and then stop talking Stop with breaking down the evaluation of him. A confident GM would not be going on and on about how he can feel a block? and how he can take a natural route to the ball. Being that in depth about specific aspects of your evaluation of this player sounds awkward.

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:lol: Brick and FF on the same side. Funny stuff.

So the kid has not yet put on one single pad and he is destined to only be average. Brick has spoken.

The pick may turn out to be awful, he may turn out to be really good. The point is no one knows right now. You guys can pretend to know just like all the experts, but no one knows.

This draft pick will be judged by how the kid plays on the field, if he turns out to be a good player then no one will give a flying fuck about what position he was drafted and whether anyone was going to take him in the next 5-6 spots.

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If he turns out to be great, no one will care where he was drafted.

No one knows if anyone was taking him in the next 5-6 spots. None of us are privy to the information that people actually in an NFL draft room have.
If the Bears had drafted you with that pick you could say the same thing.

It's a terrible pick that has a chance to be average. The big problem is that it's highly unlikely this player will be great compared to other options.


These experts who sculpt people's opinions on players via their publications whether in print or online are just as hit or miss as every fan and GM out there. J'Marcus Russell was considered a no-brainer pick who would bring the Raiders titles. Charles Rogers was a sure thing for the Lions. Kyle Boller was a steal for the Ravens. Etc., etc.

It's impossible to administer value to a pick without at least 1 season's worth of appraisal. Every year teams go back and look at where they went right/wrong in their scouting, but ultimately the answers are the same: it's impossible to predict with any semblance of assured accuracy how good at professional football any of these kids are. Look at a guy like Mark Barron. Crept into the top 10, and in the eyes of pretty much everyone is a can't-miss selection, but 2 knee surgeries later? One mid-season benching later? One drug bust later? It's unpredictable, just as unpredictable as speculating the strength of schedules.

There's always going to be parity, and that's what keeps it fun. Predicting and judging our perspectives on these selections is fun as well, but to brand yourself an expert by instantly damning a pick is an exercise in stubbornness. A lot of Bears fans over the years have had shoddy drafting completely taint (by cracky) the draft experience, but at least for the moment I think we all could benefit in letting the chips fall where they may.

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Obviously. But when every single person who's paid to cover this stuff says he wouldn't have I feel safe saying it.


Yes, because they are always right and know what they are talking about.


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:lol: Brick and FF on the same side. Funny stuff.

So the kid has not yet put on one single pad and he is destined to only be average. Brick has spoken.

The pick may turn out to be awful, he may turn out to be really good. The point is no one knows right now. You guys can pretend to know just like all the experts, but no one knows.

This draft pick will be judged by how the kid plays on the field, if he turns out to be a good player then no one will give a flying fuck about what position he was drafted and whether anyone was going to take him in the next 5-6 spots.

Yes in this one case it won't make a big difference. But there's as much strategy to the draft as there is to a game. It's about numbers. If you forfeit one possession in a game it might not impact the outcome, but if you do it continually than it will definitely effect the outcome of your season. Same thing with leaving draft picks on the table. It's usually not a good strategy.

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So the kid has not yet put on one single pad and he is destined to only be average. Brick has spoken.
Just for clarity, I said the pick had a chance to go from terrible to average. If he ends up as a solid multi-year starter that's an average middle first round pick.

Of course there is a chance he becomes a hall of famer but you could literally say that about a guy in the 7th round too.

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