That means that there is cartilage damage. If it's just the ligament, more likely for a full recovery.

Rose should have been on the bench by than. Thibs fucked up again. 12 point lead with a minute left and the 76ers are going to be fouling the whole time. Come on people don't be stupid, Thibs needed to pull him.

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Help me out because I am not a doctor. If the guy's ACL tore, doesnt it mean it was already heavily strained? Wasnt this inevitable despite how much or little he was played?

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What reports??

No. The hard and awkward landing off a high jump tore it. His ACL wasn't strained. It's less strained than most NBA players. He hasn't played much this year.

My sources tell me, and they are always 135.7% correct, that he's going to have to be "put down" because the tear is so bad, the rest of his body can't possibly be saved. This is an unfortunate day for Derrick Rose, his family, his friends, the hanger-ons who are only there for the money/women, and the fans.

At least he won't be suffering anymore, poor thing. It's for the best. Paging Dr. Vick!

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Okay, im just trying to get at the point that he might have tore it at the start of the game with the same type of move. I could see if he had a broken foot and the coach is still playing the guy despite it that you can be really pissed at the coach.

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Once again, and I'm saying this to dumb ass Thibs too, tearing it at the beginning of the game is acceptable. Nobody blames him. Tearing it with a 12 point lead with a minute to go is different. I don't accept that.

By the way, Thibs is a great coach. He's just stupid with playing Rose in the final minutes of blow outs. He was just as stupid when Rose didn't get hurt in the final minutes of blow outs over the last 2 years. Today it finally cost him. And it might have ruined Rose's career. Thibs will never admit he was wrong, but I guarantee you Rose won't be playing in blow outs when he comes back. That will be his admission. He learned his lesson. Too bad it cost the Bulls a title.

Blackhawks team physician was just on ABC saying that it is very possible that the other injuries during the season may have made him change his approach and put more pressure on the knee. Again, not completely absolving Thibodeau, but putting it out there that this was could have happened soon regardless of sitting him at the end of a game.

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But it did happen at the end of the game. That can't be ignored. Maybe you avoid getting struck by lightning the rest of the way. Who knows? We'll never know now.

anytime you hear a pop you're talking about an acute injury.

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BD,
50% of me says your right. The other half says "It's just basketball" This guy is making about 200 mil between the shoe contract and Bulls salary. He has been treated with kid gloves all season. Asking him to finish a game in the PO's shouldn't be a big deal.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Right, which is why I say I dont completely absolve him, but given the number of injuries I am saying that I also dont know what else the guy can do because not playing him at the end of the game is likely just postponing the inevitable.

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Game was not close, and Collins was not fouling. The Sixers lost every single quarter except the fourth. Only reason they won that quarter was Rose's injury killed the buzz.

It's not 2nd guessing either. Cuz I'm always saying take Rose out when the Bulls have big leads.

It's not about what he's making. It's not about him finishing games cuz he's well paid. It's about getting out of dodge. Getting him to the next game so he can be healthy to win a title. He goes hard for 3.5 quarters to get that comfortable lead late in the 4th. So you reward him by not putting him in jeopordy any longer than you have to. You gotta be smart. Thibs failed everybody. Rose would have earned all of his money if he were able to finish these playoffs and win a title.

Everyone needs someone to blame in this deal. But blaming anyone is not going to change the situation.

Do the best you can this playoff and then hope the kid works hard and recovers to 90%

Is there an example of another PG that tore his ACL?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

There was once a young kid who was tearing up the JR. High Catholic league at point guard. That team played an exhibition game against a Hebrew School. Some kid on the Hebrew School team took a cheap shot and tore that point guards ACL. That point guard was never the same again.

Ladies and Gentlemen...that point guard was me.

CSFMB:

Beardown: There's more. The kid who took the cheap shot and made me land awkardly was...Dan Bernstein!!!!! When I was lying on the ground in pain he said, "Where is Jesus now?"

CSFMB: Can you ever find it in your heart to forgive him?

Beardown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgrl9S6HtK8&feature=related

Not sure about point guards but Jerry Rice had the injury (to what degree I dont know) and he was 35. Same with Brady. I know they are way different. Though they dont use their legs the same way, Brady and Rice Im sure have had players roll up on their knees after their recovery and never had the injury again.

I'm thinking you smoke a lot of weed.

Totally agree. It could have happened any time. They needed practice closing out games as a team: it was an issue last year.


That said, I'm utterly crushed. Utterly. The Bulls are my #1 escape from the trials of everyday life. They had a shot this year. They really did. And it's over. And Derrick Rose, possibly my favorite player ever, may never be the same. And I'm fucking 32. Happy fucking birthday to me.

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You can't see me because of internet.

The landowner effectively owns part shares in millions of part-time slaves called, "taxpayers." -Roy L
A Personal Relationship with Jesus?

1. Stop saying "It could have happened at anytime". We know that. That's not the point. It happened at the end of the game when he shouldn't have been in the game. That's the point.

2. For Chirst sake, Rose doesn't need practice closing out Philadelphia. He needs practice closing out Miami. I wouldn't bitch if he's in there late against that team with a 12 point lead cuz that would be the Conference finals and they have Wade and James. Philly was closed out. How do you practice closing out anyway? Isn't it making shots and defending? Aren't you practicing making shots and defending in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters. Didn't Rose have 30 minutes of that practice? You say "Practicing closing out" like it means something. It means nothing. It basically means playing good basketball. Rose is good at that already and Philly was done.

old yeller ?

It is the point. Freak injuries just happen.


You practice closing out by closing teams out. Period. The 'ole anus tightens at the end of games with a lead, and it's a specific situation. The Bulls were bad at it last year. This unit had almost no chance to practice it this year. Here was a situation where they were once again giving up a lead, and it'd be nice to build some cohesiveness in that situation.

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The landowner effectively owns part shares in millions of part-time slaves called, "taxpayers." -Roy L
A Personal Relationship with Jesus?

1. Freak injuries should not occur to star players when the game is decided cuz your star player should be on the bench drinking gatorade and getting the phone numbers of the whores sitting behind him.

2. Regarding your explanation of practicing "closing out": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

Kill yourself.

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The landowner effectively owns part shares in millions of part-time slaves called, "taxpayers." -Roy L
A Personal Relationship with Jesus?

Ok. Lets not let Derrick practice. he might get hurt. Lets not play Derrick against teams we know we can beat. Why risk it? Then Lets not play Derrick against the Heat if the bulls have a lead in the series. THen lets not play Derrick at all against the Spurs in the Finals. The other guys can beat them without D Rose. Thats the plan. Lets save him.

If Rose gets hurt in practice, the same clowns here will bitch that he practiced. Shit happens. Its Korvers team now. After Rose walked off the court, Korver whispered to Thibbs "I"ll make it".

Just makes you appreciate AI even more

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

How was he hurt? Was it on a play that put him at risk for greater injury than usual?

Or was it on a play that could happen at any time?

He wasn't hit. He planted and his knee popped. If you want to protect against random injury, how do you do it? You don't play.

But feel free to keep posting your special brand of foolishness and name calling.

Walt Williams Neck: Just a poor man's Mr. Reason.

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Charming.