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1. Stop saying "It could have happened at anytime". We know that. That's not the point. It happened at the end of the game when he shouldn't have been in the game. That's the point.

2. For Chirst sake, Rose doesn't need practice closing out Philadelphia. He needs practice closing out Miami. I wouldn't bitch if he's in there late against that team with a 12 point lead cuz that would be the Conference finals and they have Wade and James. Philly was closed out. How do you practice closing out anyway? Isn't it making shots and defending? Aren't you practicing making shots and defending in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters. Didn't Rose have 30 minutes of that practice? You say "Practicing closing out" like it means something. It means nothing. It basically means playing good basketball. Rose is good at that already and Philly was done.


Ok. Lets not let Derrick practice. he might get hurt. Lets not play Derrick against teams we know we can beat. Why risk it? Then Lets not play Derrick against the Heat if the bulls have a lead in the series. THen lets not play Derrick at all against the Spurs in the Finals. The other guys can beat them without D Rose. Thats the plan. Lets save him.

If Rose gets hurt in practice, the same clowns here will bitch that he practiced. Shit happens. Its Korvers team now. After Rose walked off the court, Korver whispered to Thibbs "I"ll make it".
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He should never play at all. Then he'd never get hurt.

Moronic thought again by you gee whiz...what are you Bernstien?


How was he hurt? Was it on a play that put him at risk for greater injury than usual?

Or was it on a play that could happen at any time?

He wasn't hit. He planted and his knee popped. If you want to protect against random injury, how do you do it? You don't play.

But feel free to keep posting your special brand of foolishness and name calling.

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1. Freak injuries should not occur to star players when the game is decided cuz your star player should be on the bench drinking gatorade and getting the phone numbers of the whores sitting behind him.

2. Regarding your explanation of practicing "closing out": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

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This is horrible.

I was at Great America, ushering my kid onto the Frog-Hopper, headphone in ear, finishing up my exhausting and eardrum-testing attempt to listen as the weak ass AM 1000 signal tried to screechingly compete with the feedback from all the electric and radio parts of the rides and a local SUPERSTRONG Spanish station signal that was trying to drown it out, when I heard the hush come over Bill and Chuck.

I had diverted my attention away from the listen for a bit, but then I caught wind of the word "Tedeschi", and I had a sinking feeling.

When I got home and watched the game that I DVR'd, I saw the doctor doing the Lachman test - the one where they slightly bend the knee and pull the lower leg back and forth. if there is any give, there is NO ACL. (I know this from personal experience). The doc said something to DR after that test, and he almost started to cry right there. They knew it right there on the court. That is the only reason he could limp off, as well. The movement likely flipped a folded meniscus back out of the way, making it less painful.

I believe both Jamal Crawford and Eddie Robinson had ACLs, but neither was a PG. Who knows if he will ever be the same. It will likely not be until 2014 that he is able to even come close to moving with any type of confidence, though.

Godspeed, Derrick, we love you!

This bummed me out all day. (my buddy sent me the grim confirmation via text at 5:28pm)


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How was he hurt? Was it on a play that put him at risk for greater injury than usual?

Or was it on a play that could happen at any time?

He wasn't hit. He planted and his knee popped. If you want to protect against random injury, how do you do it? You don't play.

But feel free to keep posting your special brand of foolishness and name calling.

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He was hurt and at the end of the game...which he did not need to be in.After his injury the Bulls did win the game with him not on the floor...didn't they?

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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
How was he hurt? Was it on a play that put him at risk for greater injury than usual?

Or was it on a play that could happen at any time?

He wasn't hit. He planted and his knee popped. If you want to protect against random injury, how do you do it? You don't play.

But feel free to keep posting your special brand of foolishness and name calling.

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He was hurt and at the end of the game...which he did not need to be in.After his injury the Bulls did win the game with him not on the floor...didn't they?[/quote]

Yea, I feel like this is a simple concept. It COULD happen any time. But there is LESS of a chance of it happening if he is on the bench.


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Then he should never play.

Can't risk him being hurt.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Then he should never play.

Can't risk him being hurt.


I am not saying that ...I'm saying he should not play in a game that he was not needed!

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i feel like this is my fault.....every PG I support ends up with a torn ACL


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I didn't see much of the game, but the few times I focused on Rose he was kind of shuffling around the court. Almost like he had a limp. Did anyone else notice that? Knee was probably compromised already from trying to play through the other injuries. Don't blame Thibs, this was bound to happen.

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After his injury the Bulls did win the game with him not on the floor...didn't they?


Plus, wasn't Philly making their "run" with Rose on the court?

I'd like to know what percentage of 12-point leads are lost with less than 90 seconds to go. I'd guess way less than 5%, and wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen at all over the course of 1,000 games this regular season.

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The point is that the injury happened irrelevant of how much time was left in the game. The knee gave out.

If he sat and got hurt in the first quarter of game 2, would there still be outage?

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
The point is that the injury happened irrelevant of how much time was left in the game. The knee gave out.

If he sat and got hurt in the first quarter of game 2, would there still be outage?


yes

he didn't really need to play in this series at all


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The point is that the injury happened irrelevant of how much time was left in the game. The knee gave out.

If he sat and got hurt in the first quarter of game 2, would there still be outage?


yes

he didn't really need to play in this series at all

Good point.

Fuck Thibs.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
The point is that the injury happened irrelevant of how much time was left in the game. The knee gave out.

If he sat and got hurt in the first quarter of game 2, would there still be outage?


The relevancy is that his ass should have been on the bench.It happened when Red Auerbach would have been lighting a stoogie :wink:

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Rose will be fine Dr. FavreFan said so.

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The issue of whether or not Rose should have been out there at that point in the game is going to be debated back and forth ad nauseum for the foreseeable future but makes me wonder if everyone who is defending Thibs or saying it was just a freak occurrence etc would be giving Del Negro the same benefit of the doubt if he had been coaching and had Rose in the game at that point. :|

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After sleeping on it, I'm more pissed at Thibs.

20 point lead with 4:30 to go in the game and Rose is in there. I think at that point Rose did a good job of closing them out. They are not making up 20 points in that amount of time. Don't give me examples of it happening. I know it has happened. But it wasn't happening yesterday. And I'd also be willing to bet that 20 point leads with 4:30 left in the NBA are lossed less than 1% of the time. It's even less likely for this Bulls team to lose that lead even without Rose in the game.

Scoring 20 points in 4 minutes is a pace of scoring 60 points in a quarter. And that's also assuming that the other team scores nothing. That's what it would have taken for Philly to win. Philly didn't even score 90 in the entire game. Think about that. Got it? Good.


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The issue of whether or not Rose should have been out there at that point in the game is going to be debated back and forth ad nauseum for the foreseeable future but makes me wonder if everyone who is defending Thibs or saying it was just a freak occurrence etc would be giving Del Negro the same benefit of the doubt if he had been coaching and had Rose in the game at that point. :|


I would hope so.

But probably not.

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No. Vinny would have been called a "dumb " by everybody defending Thibs. All of you defenders know it.

Thibs is a great coach, but that doesn't mean he didn't fuck up. Pulling Rose wasn't about X's and O's. It was just about common sense.


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badrogue17 wrote:
The issue of whether or not Rose should have been out there at that point in the game is going to be debated back and forth ad nauseum for the foreseeable future but makes me wonder if everyone who is defending Thibs or saying it was just a freak occurrence etc would be giving Del Negro the same benefit of the doubt if he had been coaching and had Rose in the game at that point. :|


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Beardown, you are wrong. There was risk involved by playing Rose. Period. That risk does not increase or decrease depending on how much time or what the score is of the game. The risk is injury. The bigger issue is that Rose is injury prone. That is no one's fault by Rose. Therefore, no matter when he plays, that risk is always there.

And can you maybe curb your hate against Italians. That word is incredibly offensive.

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
Beardown, you are wrong. There was risk involved by playing Rose. Period. That risk does not increase or decrease depending on how much time or what the score is of the game. The risk is injury. The bigger issue is that Rose is injury prone. That is no one's fault by Rose. Therefore, no matter when he plays, that risk is always there.

And can you maybe curb your hate against Italians. That word is incredibly offensive.


amazingly, i agree with Hoffy


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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
Beardown, you are wrong. There was risk involved by playing Rose. Period. That risk does not increase or decrease depending on how much time or what the score is of the game. The risk is injury. The bigger issue is that Rose is injury prone. That is no one's fault by Rose. Therefore, no matter when he plays, that risk is always there.

And can you maybe curb your hate against Italians. That word is incredibly offensive.


Beardown: Risk increases when he's on the court, correct?

CLH: Well, of course.

Beardown: He shouldn't have been on the court with a 20 point lead. Case closed. I win.

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Beardown wrote:
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
Beardown, you are wrong. There was risk involved by playing Rose. Period. That risk does not increase or decrease depending on how much time or what the score is of the game. The risk is injury. The bigger issue is that Rose is injury prone. That is no one's fault by Rose. Therefore, no matter when he plays, that risk is always there.

And can you maybe curb your hate against Italians. That word is incredibly offensive.


Beardown: Risk increases when he's on the court, correct?

CLH: Well, of course.

Beardown: He shouldn't have been on the court with a 20 point lead. Case closed. I win.

CLH: You son of a bitch!!! I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your socket and piss in your dead skull. You've messed with the wrong poster!!!!


but that's dumb
so based on that, you want to limit Rose's minutes as much as humanly possible then, no ?
so why even play him in the Sixers series, they could win it without Rose even playing , right ?


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Beardown wrote:
Beardown: Risk increases when he's on the court, correct?


CLH: The risk is there always. It is there in practice as well. The risk does not increase or decrease. The issue is that his body and the way he plays and the accumulation of injuries have increased the risk. That is not a coaches fault. He needs to play his best player, no matter what the time is. Stop making excuses for the fact that Rose is injury prone.

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You play him as much as you want for 3 quarters and into the 4th. 20 point lead with 4 minutes to go, he's out of the game. Like I've said 100 times, if he gets hurt in the first 3 quarters, I'm not mad at Thibs. It's just about when he got hurt. That's it. Why is that so hard to understand.

I guarentee you Rose doesn't go "Game speed" hard in practice. Not after this season of injuries. He's not making wild drives to the basket. His teammates don't guard him hard or bump him. He's not doing big jumps into the lane. But if he gets hurt in a light practice, I'm fine with that too.


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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
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Beardown: Risk increases when he's on the court, correct?


CLH: The risk is there always. It is there in practice as well. The risk does not increase or decrease. The issue is that his body and the way he plays and the accumulation of injuries have increased the risk. That is not a coaches fault. He needs to play his best player, no matter what the time is. Stop making excuses for the fact that Rose is injury prone.

Beardown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEMjeYPfqSg

Ummm no . Play a guy who is prone to injuries when he doesn't need to be in the game? You think if the Blackhawks had a 3 goal lead with 5 minutes left to play and he ran Toews out there for a couple more shifts after being out with the concussion and Toews got hurt that Quenneville wouldn't be catching holy hell for having him out there? its fair to question why Thibs had Rose in the game at that point.

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