I'd put McGwire ahead of Palmeiro.

A name that doesn't set off many red flags but definitely belongs on this list: Gabe Kapler (allegedly, as I don't even know the guy). Dude played for a lot of teams, including the Rangers in the late 90s/early 2000s and the Red Sox from 2003-2006. Both of those teams were known as hotbeds for allegations regarding PEDs. After the 2006 season, Kapler decided to take his talents to Japan. Hmm... Wasn't that around the time MLB began hitting players hard for failed drug tests? He then returned to the States in 2008.

Anyway, here's a nice pic to illustrate my point.

I just hate Palmeiro because of the finger pointing shit. He went in hard and made himself look like a complete douche. McGwire barely tried to hide that shit...

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Really, Darkside? I can't believe you said that.

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You didn't believe the gay poll results?

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Perhaps "nice pic to illustrate my point" wasn't the best choice of words...

It was split down the middle.


Hello....

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It's ok, bro...

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Yeah. If I listed the PM's I got from guys looking to "experiment" after that "gay pole" you'd see some shocking names. I had to say "Not really gay, dude, it was a joke."

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Text me.

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chas sent you a message too huh?

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Wasn't the reply to the PM sufficient?

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Yeah, I wouldn't be conviced anyone on the board would be discreet about such things. That's a good move by you to get out ahead of things.....so to speak.

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Well played.

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Hey buddy.

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everybody in the NBA is on roids. Do they even test for anything?

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If steroids and strength are so important why don't major league baseball players spend more time doing serious strength training? As far as I can tell very few focus on real core strength work. Seems like that would be an easy ticket to professional success if strength is all that matters.

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Eric Walker has done research suggesting that any jumps in power have been due to changes in the ball rather than juicing in players.

http://steroids-and-baseball.com/

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That is my opinion also.

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Didn't Rashard Lewis and OJ Mayo get pinched for PED's?

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Lewis for sure. I didn't hear about Mayo.

I fail to see how steroids really helps you in basketball.

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Here's the million dollar question- and I suspect it might be a little too early to tell for certain by examining the numbers. Did MLB change back to a less lively ball for purposes of convincing the fans that the "steroid era" had ended, with steroid usage being relatively incidental the entire time?

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That's because you've never been shoved out of the paint by Scottie during the second half of his career.

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No one was ever able to find any energy drink with that steroid in it.

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Here's where I stand on steroids:

The main claim of steroids opponents is that they make you unnaturally strong. But the guys who were juicing simply weren't *that* strong. Mark McGwire benched ~300 pounds. That's strong for a regular dude. But give me an ordinary person with decent frame, even with no weight training, and I can get them benching 300 pounds in two years. Granted, most of the strength comes from leg stuff, but from what I can tell baseball players don't squat all that heavy anyway.

These guys who were using steroids had an easier time of getting to OK results because of enhanced recovery. They also got big because of hypertrophy in training. Big does not equal strong. Bodybuilders are surprisingly weak, for example.

If not strength, what is it the steroids would have been doing? Is there some other, more baseball-specific skill that steroids impart? If so, what? I've never heard the claim that steroids were good for anything but raw strength. But if that's true, why aren't the players today who are every bit as strong as the players ten years ago hitting 60+ homeruns? Robinson Cano claims he can bench 500 pounds, and while I really doubt that, he's a strong dude. And whether he's on steroids or not he's not breaking the home run record.

It's also not an answer just to say baseball players thought the steroids were working so they must work. Baseball players thinking corking a bat makes it go further, so much so that MLB had to make this illegal even though it has been shown repeatedly that it is just a placebo effect.

There's got to be something else to the story. Considering that very very minor variations in the ball have caused drastic changes in power and scoring in the past, it wouldn't surprise me whether that was true here also. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature but it wouldn't amaze me if MLB made the ball just oh-so-slightly springier after the lockout.

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It's well known that Kapler is into bodybuilding too.

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