I agree it is a better move for the company, as this might ensure that the training is done in a correct way, if they request that you do so on your own, they also can't be upset when people don't do a good job.

So I think it is more foolish, than ethics.

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It'd be a personal call on that one. You'd have to decipher is it actually a "requirement" or is it just "helpful"?

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But spanky, you also have a reasonable timeframe to complete those workshops, etc and you also have it in writing that you need this to be certified, and you need to be certified to have a job. My girlfriend has to go the same for her surgical tech position, but she has something like 2 years to do 60 'test' hours or credits whatever they call it.

If your school board or whoever said that you need to have your master's degree in the next 18 months and we are not reimbursing you for time, money spent, or excusing your time off to get that degree, thats a different story.

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well that's another matter. Management is extremely vague, never offering anything approaching specifics, doesn't respond to questions and is generally surly when approached with questions. That's another matter entirely, their inability to properly set expectations.

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They should give you time off to study and pay for the exams.

Are holiday parties pot-luck?

Are they chincy across the board or is this an isolated case?

Never have holiday parties. Not one. Well, I had a different manager in 2004 and back then we went to Benni Hanna or whatever for a lunch. That was paid for.
Extremely chincy. I have a work issued laptop, when reissued they provisioned one without a modem, which I need to remotely access some systems that are connected to remote access by POTS lines only... when I told them I needed a modem on my rig, they said just go buy one. I wasn't reimbursed for that either. Now, my new gig, I'm buying shitloads of tools for my work, and they're pricy, but that's a different field, different expectations, and I need that shit for side work anyway.

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Can you fit them in a hatchback?

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sadly no. I'll be getting a pickup or a pedervan soon.

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Unions aren't always a bad thing, right?

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What did he prepare for you?

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Late to the party, and maybe I'm oversimplifiing this...or maybe I'm drunk...and maybe someone already said it...but...

A good company would pay for you to get this training, knowing they will see the return...

The company should train you on company time, but you should also stay up to date & current on what is happening in your industry on your own.

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"Good Companies" only exist in theory. If they were real, there wouldn't be rallies like the ones yesterday.

Wrong.

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Oh please. Tell me of one fucking corporation that doesn't fuck over it's employees just to pad their profits. It's never enough to make money, but they have to shit on everyone who works for them to make even more. If you don't think your company does that, your head is stuck in your ass.

In my experience, the smaller the company, the more loyal it can be. If the company is just 100 people, odds are everyone has had face to face time with the CEO. If the company is 5,000 people, deciding that you need to eliminate 250 positions becomes an easier task as there are no faces associated with the names. Conversely, if you are working at a 100 person office and you and the guy in charge don't mesh, then you probably won't be moving up any time soon, but at a 5,000 person office, if your metrics look good, you have a better chance.

I think a lot of it is just taking yourself and your situation out of the equation when looking at the company's viewpoint. If a company is going south, they are going to have to get rid of people, and maybe some good ones just because they can't afford to make payroll.

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Your situation sounds questionable to me- is your company going to be able to bill more due to your qualifications? If yes, they should pay all the expenses, but could also require you to guarantee a return (or a non-compete). I'm not familiar with those certifications, so I assume they would make you more valuable to another employer in the same field, right? Very frustrating lack of support from your supervisor.

I can understand your desire to change careers, but I had no idea there was so much training and equipment required to become a house painter in Elmhurst.

I have been offered to apply for the next level up in our organization- requires 18 months of full-time training- paid for 40 hours a week at the next level right away (about a 20% hourly raise, but no OT, a net loss of up to $20K per year) with the expectation that the qualification requires up to another 40 hours per week of study outside the 40 in training to pass the tests. Thanks, but no thanks.

Yes, the certainly will bill more for my qualifications. My immediate supervisor quit today as a matter of fact. He couldn't take the lack of direction. He doesn't even have anywhere to go right now, he just fuckin bailed.


Well, they'll give a gun and a badge to pretty much any idiot as we've seen, but that house painting is only something that certain people can do.


yeah, I get you. Not a good ROI.

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Not only can I not afford it with my oldest starting pharmacy school in the fall, but I really don't even like the job, and they can't force me to go..

Best of luck with your issues- any interest in your supervisor's position, or is that even worse?

Hell no. That job is shitty. It's salary, they call you 24-7-365 for stupid shit. Poor guy was always held responsible for so much shit that wasy way out of his control. He had all the responsibility and none of the authority. The boss is more or less completely incompetent (when I asked for a job description when I transferred to his National Repair from Field Service, he actually laughed in my face and said "where do you think you work?", consiquently, I am still listed as a Field Tech and I suspect that's had some negative issues with my compensation...). I wouldn't take that job for double my salary. And the real problem, what drove me to school, is that I'm nearly positive the company is pretty close to tanking and they're not telling us everything. Most of the board has "interim" in their title, and most of them are new, since all the old crew fled the ship about 6 months ago... we've just changed our logo, and they're shutting down small to medium sized markets... oh yeah, and most of these remote programming jobs are gonna end up in India if what the tech boards are saying is even half true. The job is almost gone, the company is fucked, the environment is bad. Gotta get out.

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WOW. Time to PTFB. I hear they are looking for a new sheriff in Rock Ridge.

Boy, I sure feel better though!

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Here's an ethics question for ya:

My wife works in the financial district downtown at a credit union. She manages two employees and is hiring for a third. As such, she has consulted the assistance of an HR employee to help with pre-screening of resumes, scheduling interviews, etc.

The HR employee assigned to assist is a black woman who is quite possibly the most racist person I have ever known. According to many people at the company, this lady goes around talking about how "bad she has it" because of how white people keep her and her family "down". At one point she went on a tirade in the cafeteria about Hurricane Katrina and how "Bush wanted to kill all us [explitives] so he didn't help out". There have been complaints filed on this individual, who has then turned around and threatened to sue the company for "making stuff up", claiming racism directed toward her.

The position listing is very specific in terms of experience needed and level of education (Bachelors required). Every resume this lady has forwarded for consideration? Friends of hers with high school diplomas and - which I know how this will sound, so I apologize - typically "black" names (let's just say they aren't Joe O'Leary or Sergio Lopez, if you catch my drift).

How do you handle that situation, class?

Bribe her to quit with a wine fridge.

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She should let this HR lady know that the job requires the college degree so if she could please not send anymore resumes with just a high school diploma. That alone probably won't work, so then I would go above HR (either to the HR boss or her own boss) and say that she is only getting applicants that do not meet the education requirements.

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This

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How naive.

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