Yes it is, though it's worse for Carmelo because I think he has the talent to do it. I just don't think he wants to.

He'll figure it out one day and be a second option on a really good team because it's pretty clear he's not deferring to anyone when he can score 30 on any night he wants.

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I Think he could be the number one guy on a team. He just has to learn to do it inside a system other than "give Melo the ball and get out the damn way"

He definitely could play Dirk's role from last year on the right team. The problem is he hasn't given any indication he'd buy into a system like that, I don't trust Mike Woodson, and that Amare contract is really going to sink this team if he doesn't go to Germany soon. But really it's on Melo to show up next season in the best shape of his career and start changing his mindset if he wants to be taken seriously. Not many guys make that transformation after nine seasons of being a gunner.

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They lost their starting backcourt Shumpert game 1 Davis Game 4 Stoudamire missed a game Chandler I believe missed a game. Carmelo Anthony chucked up a lot of shots but he acquitted himself nicely. As far as no one winning playing that style Kobe Bryant plays that style. Their is no bigger ball hog in the NBA than Kobe Bryant and he has played that way with far superior talent. Look at the Knicks starting line up last night where do you think they are going if he plays another way. There is not another player that can create his own shot including Stats or whatever his nickname is supposed to be. They did not even have a player that could dribble to set someone else up. Which person on that team can make a play for someone other than Carmelo Anthony. He is criticized beacuse his team lost to a better team. The team got better when the offense ran through him. They could not be Miami but that is not an indictment on him.

After the Game 5 loss to the Heat last night, here's a stat you might use. 17-37...Carmelo Anthony's record in 54 career playoff games, according to a stat I saw on ESPN and the Elias Sports Bureau late last night. Not good.

In each series he lost to teams with more talent than his team. Wasn't that the case this series.

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That seems to be a big problem with team's he is on. Is anything ever his fault in your opinion?

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I think the Knicks were hoping for a LOT more from Carmelo than he's shown. That trade with the Nuggets...Not looking so good.

Carmelo only has himself to blame for the team he plays on. The Knicks have even made some decent moves since he forced a trade to them.

The point still remains that Goff acted like the Knicks finally figured out the magic formula to get the ball to him and let him do his thing and how this was some great victory over the basketball stupid who actually liked how the Knicks played when Lin was in and Carmelo was out.

Let me put it another way. If Carmelo hadn't returned for the season and Lin stayed healthy do you think the Knicks would have done any worse? My guess would be barely making the playoffs and a quick first round loss could have been done by the Knicks without Carmelo too.

That's really what this thread is about. Goff was over the top about just what the Knicks had become now that they got the ball to Carmelo and let him do his thing. In reality, they were pretty much exactly what they were when Carmelo was out. A team fighting for a playoff spot and a fairly easy out for any of the top 4 seeds assuming no massive injuries to star players.

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The Knicks are very uneven with the roster they have. As for Jeremy Lin, I think the jury is still out on whether he's all that good.

Which team is going anywhere in this league by sharing the ball with Landry Fields, Jared Jeffries Toney Douglas and at this stage of the game Mike Bibby. The selfish label is not jiving. he took fewer shots during the D'Antoni/Linsanity era the team was worse and he still got criticized. I watched some of the same people play with crap talent get crap results i.e. Durant Bryant James early during his career and in James case benefitted from playing in the weaker east and be immune from criticism. Amare Stoudamire cannot create his own shot is a terrible defender and a weak rebounder but all of the criticism is directed at Carmelo Anthony. Unlike those guys he did go begging to play with other players either. New York was mediocre before he got their and the best stretch that have had during the last 10 years has been the 18-6 run that they had to close the season. Look it up

The way I see it, Melo is one of the following:

1. Doesn't care about winning: Why force a trade to a team that has to give up all of their assets to get you, and then lock themselves into mediocrity during your entire run with them?

2. Does care about winning, but is a complete moron and fooled himself into thinking this team could ever be good.

3. He's just not very good.

Which one do you think it is?

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Lebron took the worst supporting cast outside of the Sixers with Iverson to the NBA Finals. The Knicks cast are better than either of those teams. Kobe lucked into a good situation but didn't he win a title fairly quickly? Durant may have deserved that label before but he is a leader on an unquestionably elite team now. If Carmelo was playing for OKC instead of the Knicks I'd be praising him too with the same record. It hasn't happened.

In reality, I'd love it if Carmelo could turn the Knicks elite. I have always been a fan. However, I can't ignore the reality that he's a big numbers, small results guy and has been for nearly a decade.
What would Goff say about regular season success?

I also wouldn't want to build my offense around just getting the ball to Amare.

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Carmelo Anthony is in New York for one big reason...

His wife, former MTV VJ La La Vasquez, wanted to increase her celebrity profile. She's the reason why Anthony's a Knick and NOT a Bull.

I will blame him for engineering a trade out of Denver. He will never win in the all important court of opinion because he did that. It was stupid because Denver was better team than New York. He got caught in the whole three stars thing that was going around. maybe he felt that his team in Denver peaked and could not win a championship maybe he thought the Knick would get Paul. I don't know. When guys engineer trades and hold their team for ransom in order to get out of town they don't win in the public's eyes. Look at Dwight Howard . I don't blame him for what's going on with the Knicks. They would not have made the playoffs without Anthony. Its funny how people keep neglecting the record that they had to close the season what if everything was equal to close the season and their record was reversed what would be the argument? He's blamed because he could not beat James Wade Bosh with a hurt stats and Landry Fields. That's amazing

I don't take my basketball cues from Jason Goff He says a lot of things that do not make sense. I checked his expert analysis out the other day and his so called analysis was all about player's confidence and their individual psyche as it relates to Derrick Rose. Rarely does any of his analysis ever involve the skill of the player or deficiencies that the player may have. Kyle Korver is not struggling because he has not realized that this is the playoffs and not the regular season. He is struggling because he is easy to defend and teams game plan for him during the playoffs. He is also a weak defender that could be exploited. He used the same stupid argument regarding James and his lack of aggression during last years finals rather than break his game down and study how James typically gets his points fast break open court. Dallas did not allow him to do it as much thus he struggled. He also said James should get three offensive fouls in order to be "aggressive"

I don't take my basketball cues from Jason Goff He says a lot of things that do not make sense. I checked his expert analysis out the other day and his so called analysis was all about player's confidence and their individual psyche as it relates to Derrick Rose. Rarely does any of his analysis ever involve the skill of the player or deficiencies that the player may have. Kyle Korver is not struggling because he has not realized that this is the playoffs and not the regular season. He is struggling because he is easy to defend and teams game plan for him during the playoffs. He is also a weak defender that could be exploited. He used the same stupid argument regarding James and his lack of aggression during last years finals rather than break his game down and study how James typically gets his points fast break open court. Dallas did not allow him to do it as much thus he struggled. He also said James should get three offensive fouls in order to be "aggressive"

I wouldn't be shocked if New York fans, right or wrong, pointed the finger at Carmelo for the Knicks' demise in Round 1 vs. the Heat. That fan base was also really down on Patrick Ewing back in the day, too.

They would not have made the playoffs with Jeremy Lin running the team and no Anthony. They beat mediocre teams with Lin once they were matched up with better teams and better point guards he got exposed and Anthony got blamed for hindering his game. My problem is that the guy can't win for losing. He got D'Antoni fired He held Lin Back His ball hogging hurt the team etc. The coach believes that their team is better with the ball in his hands. The results with Anthony as the focal point have been better than they were with any other player on the roster.

He was criticized for everything that went wrong also and what's funny is that his coach at the time Van Gundy addressed that very issue this year and stated during the telecast how stupid it was to criticize Ewing with the talent that team had also.

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So you don't think the Knicks could have gone 32-34 and made the playoffs? I disagree.

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If I remember right When Lin got hurt they were in 10th or 11th place their coach just resigned Anthony led them to an 18-6 record they were playing some of the best basketball in the league as they approached the playoffs. They probably would have lost the series anyway but they lost some key players during the series 3/5ths of their starting lineup at various points. The guy competed during this series his team lost.

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The knicks were 16-16 when Carmelo came back. They finished 20-14 and a .500 record would have made the playoffs by a few games.

You can't just discount the 6 game losing streak they had pretty close to when Carmelo came back as a reason why Carmelo got them to the playoffs.

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In the Eastern Conference, that would have been sufficient.

I just noticed, Carmelo's career stats right now are virtually identical to Dominique's. And they probably play about the same level of defense. And both guys have only gotten their teams relatively deep in the playoffs once.

Interesting stat trickybeck.

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Interesting. I thought if you lets Carmelo Effin' Anthony just "do what he does" the Knicks would have a championship by now?

How does Jason Goff qualify as a basketball "expert"? Does he have a basketball background I'm unaware of? I think he has a good future as a host but always wonder about the "basketball expert" tag.

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I sat in on one of the "expert" meeting at WSCR 670 AM The Score.

Goes like this:

1. Do you work here, already, in any capacity?
2. Which sport do you like?
3. Here is your new title. Keep in mind we may pull you out of the production studio or away from the mop bucket to chime in when some news happens in your particular sport.
4. Thanks.