Hey,I liked that "bleeping" comment...Thought it was hilarious.
Well,Good for Hawk. I like the guy. I think Kasper & Brenly our good but need
to "step out" more. Especially Kasper,he plays it safe too much.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

When Len steps out, he says things like Kerry Wood and Carlos Zambrano should have their numbers retired by the Cubs.

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MLB actually should have suspended Len for that!

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It wasn't just the umpire-attacking, but the general tone he's taken on over the last few years that rubs me wrong. Normally, I'm always in favor of loosening restrictions on language, and I think trying to shield kids from profanity they already hear on the playground is pretty silly. But there's always been something traditionally down-homey and family friendly about baseball broadcasts, moreso than other sports broadcasts. It was seemed a bit distasteful when Hawk started using "hell yes!" and then "you gotta be bleeping me!" However, at least if he's using them in a celebratory mood, it's not so bad. When he starts using those phrases in fits of apoplectic anger, it takes on a different tone. It feels like an angry dad losing his temper at his family, and you just feel uncomfortable for everyone involved.

One is an organization of professional baseball teams, the other is a TV station. Yes, Reinsdorf probably could tell him to sit and he would. In fact, I believe in 2009 he was suspended for a day or two, but it was just not publicly acknowledged.

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" THis poster said it's 90% that Bernstein goes national. He put a percentage on it. " - Beardown

Or maybe he just sounds like a self-acknowledged homer that shouldn't be taken too seriously.. I highly doubt kids are going to be scared for life by a pissed off hillbilly

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" THis poster said it's 90% that Bernstein goes national. He put a percentage on it. " - Beardown

Homerism I can accept, but ideally it would be done in a good-natured way. Or even a whiny attitude about umps, like say Stacy King has, would be better than an outright spitting-angry one.

Not saying the rant was the right decision, but people are making a bigger deal out of it the it is. This is not the first time an announcer has went off on an umpire.

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" THis poster said it's 90% that Bernstein goes national. He put a percentage on it. " - Beardown

Really? And what would happen if you approached the bench and screamed that the judge has no business on the bench and the judicial review (or whatever) should send him back to law school so he can learn it since he has no idea what law is all about? I don't think that would play well in a courtroom.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Really? So say you're in the middle of a trial, you go outside and start yelling to reporters about how that judge needs to be held accountable, needs to go back to law school because he has no idea what the law is all about, screaming "what are you doing, Judge X?!"... you're telling me that that would have no effect on your clients trial, would have no effect on you as a practicing attorney? That the judge will continue to be completely impartial to you and your motions, objections et al in the future and there's no sanctions for that? As a client, would you want an attorney that would behave in such a manner? I don't think you mean what you say when you say we should all approach our jobs and lives with such passion. Restraint is part of maturity and professionalism.

For the record I think Hawk was probably right... right up until he started screaming hells and suggesting that the umpire didn't belong as an umpire... Hawk sure didn't mind the 2nd base neighborhood play a few days prior when Wegner made a questionable call beneficial to the Sox. I don't think he even said anything about it at all.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

EXACTLY!

Because that is how the game is called nowadays. And its also protocol for umps to give warnings before the start giving players and coaches the heave ho.

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Well, yeah and no. Same day or maybe one day on either side the Cubs got hit for a neighborhood play. It's not quite "how the game is played". There's only so much you get or don't get.
Something tells me Wegner tossed Quintana becuse of things we weren't privy to. Who knows what AJ said to the batter... he's a talker we know that. If he said something to him, maybe "here's one coming up your ass" or some damn thing that he'd say then here comes a purpose pitch... maybe Wegner had enough. I've seen pitchers and coaches tossed without warnings too dude. Its not like there's a rule about giving warnings first... also... who knows what was said before the game? I know umps give "off the record" warnings during the card exchange too. Perhaps something said between innings as well. We don't really know.

Either way, I believe in my heart that Hawk probably was right, but when he went wrong was the unprofessional manner in which he went about it. Just a really bad example of how to handle your business. You can say things without saying them. And B&B were absolutely right about how silly it was for Hawk to be that upset in the days after the game that he overlooks the fact that the Sox were on a killer winning streak and had swept two fuckin series! Why not just be happy about the turn around that the team has instead of focusing so much anger on something as inconsequential as a tossed pitcher in a winning effort?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Thanks panther. I'm glad to see you agree wirh ne. Its nice.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

I'm a few beers in...Hawk should still not be suspended. Hawk is a homer meatball, which is ok in my book. Personally, I stay away from meatball arguments, but Hawk is the shit.

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The thing that makes no sense, is how he gets so crazed when an umpire makes a mistake-like an umpire isn't human and should never err. How about when the Sox have a runner on 2nd in the 9th inning with nobody out, and he represents the tying run....if the batter hits the ball to SS or 3rd and fails to advance the runner should Hawk go nuts? You gotta be bleepin me, you have got to be kidding. How can this guy do that. This guy failed to do the one thing needed here and thats to advance that runner. Come on, how can we have a guy at the major league level that makes an unproductive out like that. They ought to sent him back to the minors until this guy understands the game of Baseball a whole lot better. That is just brutal...

The players, manager, coaches and GM all make mistakes too, but he saves his rage for the umpires....hell, Hawk himself (when the GM) put a hall of fame catcher in left field

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Go Cubs!!!!

Okay champ, since you are a Sox fan and therefore understand how this makes any sense, go ahead and explain it....can't ? Didn't think so, because it makes no sense.

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Go Cubs!!!!

How often do announcers actually rip their own teams?

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Harry Carey and Jimmy Piersall did it quite regularly. If Hawk is gonna rip anyone (GM, Manager, Coaches and players) that fails to do their job in an acceptable fashion, fine. But to just do it to the Umpires as if they are the only ones not allowed to make a mistake now and then is weak...

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Go Cubs!!!!

YES! HELL YES!

It was actually a bit sad to see Hawk having to address the media and explain himself before the game today- something that he was obviously made to do. It was probably humiliating for him to do damage control. He's used to running unchecked, and Reinsdorf and/or Selig let him know he overstepped his bounds this time. He probably thought that because he's Hawk, he was above any expectations demanded of other PBP/color guys- and it was a rude awakening to find out that he wasn't. I don't dislike him, most likely because I grew up watching him and for better or for worse and don't know Sox baseball any other way- but he's becoming a caricature of himself the last few seasons. More so than usual anyway.

I usually listen to the call from the Score because Ed Farmer is a mine of awesome. If it it's synced to the tv broadcast, I'll mute that and and allow Farmer to masterfully paint the picture of what is happening on the screen.

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fock this club. I should manayer.

Here is the Trib article:
(Highlighted Ozzies' response)

With 28 years in the White Sox broadcast booth, Ken "Hawk" Harrelson said Friday that rebukes from Bud Selig and Jerry Reinsdorf would not change his style of speaking his mind.

"If I do that, I'll quit," Harrelson said before he went to the microphone for the Sox-Mariners game.

Humbled after having one-sided phone conversations with the commissioner and team chairman, Harrelson said he wouldn't guarantee another rant like the one during Wednesday's game against the Rays over umpire Mark Wegner's tossing of Sox starter Jose Quintana.

"It's one of those things that happens and I can't sit here and guarantee … I'll tell you, I'm going to do everything in my power not to let it happen again," he said. "But, who can say? I snapped before. I'm getting tired of taking Advil."

Harrelson has been ultra-critical of umpires in the past, although he had seemed to mellow this season — at least until he called Wegner's decision to eject Quintana after a purpose pitch against the Rays' Ben Zobrist "absolutely brutal."

"I'll tell you what, they have to start making guys be accountable," he said over the airwaves. "Here's an umpire in the American League that knows nothing about the game of baseball. … They have no business umpiring because they don't know what the game of baseball is about."

Sox players, at least publicly, claimed they hadn't heard Harrelson's rant although they had heard about it.

"I haven't heard anything Hawk said, but I bet it's pretty funny," Adam Dunn said.

"Hawk's one of a kind, we all know that," Paul Konerko said. "He played the game. … He's going to say what's on his mind usually and that's that.

"Obviously as players, we find a lot of his stuff comical. It's good stuff to keep us occupied."

Manager Robin Ventura said he hadn't heard the tape, but "we know he's pulling for us. That has been that way since he (started) doing broadcasts."

And before the Marlins' game Friday against the Phillies, even former Sox manager Ozzie Guillen talked about it, apparently having heard the recording.

"If I say that I'd be in jail. I'm not going to be suspended, I'm going to be in jail," Guillen told media. "They take the passport away from me and everything. You were an American citizen once. Not anymore."
It's believed Harrelson didn't receive any punishment from Selig or Reinsdorf on top of the stern warnings.

"The only thing I will tell you is Bud is the boss and Jerry is the boss, let's put it that way," he said. "It's one of those situations, if I could tell you right now it won't happen again, I'd mean it. But I couldn't guarantee it."

Asked if he had any regrets over the incident?

"I don't know," he said. "I said it. And it's out there.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

WTF you mainlining absinthe or something?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

You obviously haven't seen Darkside's work in the Snowmobile thread.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Your only example is from thirty-five years ago? Not to mention, Piersall was not brought back because of his incessant ripping of the team. Throw in an inexcusable misspelling of Harry CARAY's name, and your post is once again a giant ball of FAIL.

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<º)))><

Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

So bad.....

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Not being a contrarian or anything like that, I just get a kick out of that kind of dry humor and the way he delivers it. A lot of it is lost on people. DJ sometimes isn't as conducive to it, so it's not as good as it could be- but Stone and even Singleton towards the end of his brief time here got it and ran with it, and it was awesome. Obviously Rooney did too.

If the team is mathematically eliminated, getting shellacked by someone, or in spring training, I won't go out of my way to sit in front of the tv to watch it- but the radio call will be on no matter how unimportant the situation. I'm well aware that not too many people share my point of view.

Sometimes if I'm driving with someone and the game is on, Farmer will say something, or there's a conversation between him and DJ, and 10 seconds afterwards I'll get a "...wait, what?" from someone in the car after they process it or give it some thought.

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fock this club. I should manayer.

wish i seen it.. would enjoy seeing that hillbilly humbled..he should have been fired years ago, he is very bad at his job.

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is it too much to ask in a major city to get a professional broadcaster minus the southern hillbilly drawl who can't eben pronounce the word error and whines like a big pussy and goes silent for long stretches....boviffs ..this is not a cubs/sox thing..i don't like kasper either..but hawk is just awful at his job.

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After the Hawks meeting with Bud you couldn't even pulled greased needles out of his sphincter whith a pair of pliers

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.