Pitching matchups favor the Cubs today and Weds. Hopefully the Sox can score some runs and get back to their winning ways this week. Would be great to sweep one of these next 2 series. A 4-5 win homestand is a must because not only have they not had a good past week to 10 days, but they have a tough stretch after interleague is done; 4 @Twins, 3 @Yankees, 3 vs Rangers, 3 vs Blue Jays.


Chicago Cubs vs. Chicago White Sox
Monday, June 18, 7:10 PM CT, U.S. Cellular Field
Matt Garza, RHP 2-5, 4.04 ERA
Zach Stewart, RHP 1-1, 5.18 ERA


Tuesday, June 19, 7:10 PM CT, U.S. Cellular Field
Travis Wood, LHP 0-3, 4.58 ERA
Jake Peavy, RHP 6-2, 2.91 ERA


Wednesday, June 20, 7:10 PM CT, U.S. Cellular Field
Ryan Dempster, RHP 3-3, 2.11 ERA
Gavin Floyd, RHP 4-7, 5.63 ERA

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Sox get swept.

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This has to be the largest gap in terms of organization quality this matchup has ever seen. It would be hard to believe that one organization has ever been this horrendous while the other one is so good. At least in 2005, during the year the White Sox won the World Series, the Cubs organization was considered competent. You can't really say that right now whereas the Sox are once again in first place.

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I'd rather be a Sox fan pretty much any time and that includes if the Cubs happen to win the WS sometime this century.

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I'll wait 5 years to decide whose team I'd rather have.

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People said the same thing 5 years ago.

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Oh Brick

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The BP Cup will be in the house tonite!!! A win for the Sox clinches it!

The Cubs have to sweep to win the cup.

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Sox already won, I thought, because a tie stays with the team who had it the previous year.

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I would agree if you replaced "organizational quality" with "major league talent"


The Cup has been decided already

Oh...maybe that is the case. I remember that silly rule being if the series ended up tied, then whoever won the 6th and final game got the cup.


Edit; as lame as the Cup is, I'll get to save a couple of bucks. I entered some sort of contest in an email I got a few weeks back. Today I got an email that said I was a winner, and got a key code for a 25cent per gallon discount on BP gas.

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Shouldn't major league talent be a pretty big part of that? It's not like the Sox are filled with players who will be retired in 3 years.

Isn't it basically the Cubs plan to be bad and hope that they get more talent in the draft for a year or two? If the organizational talent is that remarkable for the Cubs why do that?

I'm going to go out on a limb right now and say that as things stand now the White Sox are the superior organization. Now, maybe with higher draft picks the Cubs will overtake them over the next 5 years. They may also do it by outspending them by spending what they actually should be for who they are.

I think too many people are hung up about how bad some of the Sox contracts looked last year. It's not true this year, though some of them have only went from bad to not terrible.

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Even par will not win the BP Cup.

I think too many people are hung up on how good the Sox are instead of how bad the AL Central is.

Probably.

Kinda seems like that little run they went on in May/early June was just a brief deviation from the norm, eh? I tend to think that the Sox team we've seen over the last 10 to 12 days is probably more accurate.

They're just good enough to get you sucked into caring again, and then BOOM....the sucking resumes.

Keep it.

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Exactly. That's why saying "I'll take the Cubs in 2017" is pretty hollow, especially since one of the main reasons is the expectation that the Cubs are going to be bad for a while and just hope they get good draft picks.

The Sox are actually doing quite a good job of rebuilding while staying competitive. Go look at the Sox roster and see who is on the team that is 28 and younger. It's a pretty good list.

"We hope to get good players in future drafts" is not a valid reason why an organization is better than another.

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Eh, maybe. They were out pitched in St Louis. Really didn't have an issue with dropping that series. You are gonna run into some hot arms every so often. Sale was way overdue to have a clunker of a start, but even his start didn't put the game out of reach. Losing 2 of 3 to Houston is unacceptable. Quintana should never have been taken out of that game yesterday. You have Reed ready in case Quintana gets into some trouble, but it was his game to lose at that point.

Given the division, the Sox have a better chance at making the playoffs than a good amount of teams do. I think its pretty clear that say 86-89 wins could take the AL Central, and I could see the Sox getting to that mark.

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Yeah I'm not off the bandwagon.

Just losing 3 straight series to NL teams has been annoying.

And yesterday just compounded my frustrations.

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I'm not even sure how you could make a case that the Cubs are a better organization right now.

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Why did you even respond except to make a blind guess that the Cubs may close the gap in 5 years?

The Cubs may catch up in 5 years. They may do it in 3. As of right now, there isn't really any reason to believe they will.

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I agree. 2017 does not equal 2012.

Now that we have that agreed upon, I guess we also agree the White Sox are the better organization right now.

And nobody has any clue what the teams will look like in 2017.

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Since Theo has taken over, if you compared his personnel moves with Kenny's in the same time period, why do you believe Theo has done the better job? What about the Cubs base do you like more than the Sox base?

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That's true. Although Im not sure how effective Konerko, AJ, Dunn, and Peavy will be in 3 years


Pretty much. The last few drafts havent been awful though. There is some talent.

Of course it's a wild guess.

As I pointed out before, look at the White Sox roster of players who are 28 and under. Not even including the supposed subpar talent in the Sox minor leagues how can you not say they have a lot of potential?

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Peavy and AJ will be gone. Konerko is playing so well now you'd have to think he'll get an extension and retire a White Sox player.

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I get this. But it also looks like Sale and Viciedo will be pretty goddam good. Beckham has also been a lot better at the plate the last 6 weeks or so, and is still performing at or near a gold glove level in the field. Dunn is also here another 2 years and appears to have shows that 2011 is going to be the exception and not the rule for him.


People knock the Sox farm system a lot and while I know it isn't the best, they still have a lot of home grown talent that is on (or has been in the past) the MLB roster.

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Whoa that thing, Chachi

A few reasons to believe they have a good chance to do what you're saying....

What you're saying with your talent gap is true, its the far end. Its just the law of averages that it will return to the middle.

They have a Team president who has been extremely successful

They are a big market team that will likely be a top 5 payroll team in the next few years (or 15 years if you are a SCORE host)


or none of that will happen.

What if the Sox continue to be a team that gets at least 88 wins about every other year? That's a high bar for the current Cubs to get to and surpass. People underestimate how good the Sox have been under Kenny.
So do the Sox.
I agree. Theo with a huge money advantage could probably surpass the White Sox like he did in Boston.

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Father time is going to catch him eventually. How old will he be 3 years from now?


5 of the 9 everyday players are

AJ (36), King Konerko(36), Dunn (32), Rios (31), Hudson (35)