It is currently Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:17 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 96 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:55 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:38 pm
Posts: 39560
Location: Barfagloggle, Indiana
pizza_Place: Pizza Hut
If I'm Sloan, I'd just hold out for one of the inevitable vacancies in New York or either of the Los Angeles teams.

_________________
Kid Cairo's Boers & Bernstein YouTube Channel

Kid Cairo: 2013 March Madness Tournament Winner!

"Cowabunga? Cowa fucking piece of dog shit! This game is diarrhea coming out of my dick!"


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43743
FavreFan wrote:
It only takes one player in the NBA to instantly change the outlook of a team. If the Bobcats land Anthony Davis and he's as good as advertised that becomes a really intriguing job.

Yes, but the team is run by M-Jeff. Guys 2-12 on that roster will be a big problem.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:57 am 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72545
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
If I'm Sloan, I'd just hold out for one of the inevitable vacancies in New York or either of the Los Angeles teams.

Isn't Woodson about to ink some paper?

The LA jobs would be really attractive. Maybe the Miami job opens up in a few weeks. Might be smart of Sloan to wait a while.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:00 am 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72545
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Douchebag wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It only takes one player in the NBA to instantly change the outlook of a team. If the Bobcats land Anthony Davis and he's as good as advertised that becomes a really intriguing job.

Yes, but the team is run by M-Jeff.

Yeah that's the thing that would make me not consider it. But you gotta assume after next season another top 3-4 pick would also be added and then from there you can officially rebuild the roster around those two.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:03 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43743
The big problem with coaching a team that is basically rebuilding from scratch is that you don't want to be the guy in the beginning of the process. The Bobcats will hire a coach that will only get them so far in the next couple years, and then the next coach will probably get them to point B. If Sloan takes this job, he will probably get launched in 2-3 years, and his ceiling with that team would probably be a bottom seed in the playoffs.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:07 am 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72545
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Douchebag wrote:
The big problem with coaching a team that is basically rebuilding from scratch is that you don't want to be the guy in the beginning of the process. The Bobcats will hire a coach that will only get them so far in the next couple years, and then the next coach will probably get them to point B. If Sloan takes this job, he will probably get launched in 2-3 years, and his ceiling with that team would probably be a bottom seed in the playoffs.

I get the impression if you hire a guy with Sloan's age and resume you and him have the understanding that the job is his until he doesn't want it, unless shit goes disastrously wrong like LB in NY or something.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:24 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am
Posts: 817
pizza_Place: Giordano's
I could see Sloan with a team that has a good PG and big man. I'm not sure the Lakers would fit but just about anyone would be an immediate upgrade over Brown.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 56483
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Sloan to the Bulls after they bungle Tom Thibodeau's contract negotiations and lose him.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:37 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 93156
Location: To the left of my post
FavreFan wrote:
It only takes one player in the NBA to instantly change the outlook of a team. If the Bobcats land Anthony Davis and he's as good as advertised that becomes a really intriguing job.
I don't know what everyone sees in Anthony Davis. He's going to be a really solid pro but unless he either grows more or becomes remarkably better I don't see him better than the second best player on a good team.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:47 am 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72545
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It only takes one player in the NBA to instantly change the outlook of a team. If the Bobcats land Anthony Davis and he's as good as advertised that becomes a really intriguing job.
I don't know what everyone sees in Anthony Davis. He's going to be a really solid pro but unless he either grows more or becomes remarkably better I don't see him better than the second best player on a good team.

I think he'll be better than that. I tend to lean more towards your way of thinking from what I saw of him this year but doesn't it seem like the concensus opinion from scouts, coaches, and "experts" is that he will be GREAT. Guys I really, really trust like David Thorpe say he's in the Ewing/Duncan/LeBron "can't miss at all" type of prospect. Like you, I struggle to see what they are seeing but as of right now I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:53 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 93156
Location: To the left of my post
FavreFan wrote:
I think he'll be better than that. I tend to lean more towards your way of thinking from what I saw of him this year but doesn't it seem like the concensus opinion from scouts, coaches, and "experts" is that he will be GREAT. Guys I really, really trust like David Thorpe say he's in the Ewing/Duncan/LeBron "can't miss at all" type of prospect. Like you, I struggle to see what they are seeing but as of right now I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I agree. Everyone seems to love him.

One of my biggest concerns is how stacked his other team is and how well of a shot blocker he'll be at 6'10. In college, 6'10 is huge. In the NBA, it's not.

He has a ton of potential and I'd easily take him #1 though.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:56 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:55 pm
Posts: 26000
Location: Lurking Below the Surface...
pizza_Place: Dino's Pizza
FavreFan wrote:
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
If I'm Sloan, I'd just hold out for one of the inevitable vacancies in New York or either of the Los Angeles teams.

Isn't Woodson about to ink some paper?

The LA jobs would be really attractive. Maybe the Miami job opens up in a few weeks. Might be smart of Sloan to wait a while.

It appears as if Mike Woodson will soon get the interim tag removed with the Knicks, even though New York bellyflopped themselves in Round 1 vs. Miami.

Speaking of the Heat, I think Erik Spoelstra signed an extension after coaching the Heat to the NBA Finals last spring. While the Lakers appear committed to Mike Brown for another season despite the purple & gold's bellyflop vs. the Thunder in the Western Conference Semis, and it looks like Vinny Del Negro will be back for 1 more season with the Clippers after L.A.'s other NBA team eliminated the Grizzlies in Round 1. All bets are off beyond VDN at least starting his third season with the Clips, and keep in mind who signs the checks for that team. Yes, it's Donald Sterling, and he's still considered by many as one of the worst owners in all of sports.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am
Posts: 817
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I think he'll be better than that. I tend to lean more towards your way of thinking from what I saw of him this year but doesn't it seem like the concensus opinion from scouts, coaches, and "experts" is that he will be GREAT. Guys I really, really trust like David Thorpe say he's in the Ewing/Duncan/LeBron "can't miss at all" type of prospect. Like you, I struggle to see what they are seeing but as of right now I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I agree. Everyone seems to love him.

One of my biggest concerns is how stacked his other team is and how well of a shot blocker he'll be at 6'10. In college, 6'10 is huge. In the NBA, it's not.

He has a ton of potential and I'd easily take him #1 though.


He's still a little raw but he's the type of kid that wants to get better and he'll fill in that frame.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am
Posts: 817
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Also from what we saw of Irving very few people thought he would be as good early on. Same with Rose. There is no one that doesn't believe Anthony Davis will be a stud.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:58 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:55 pm
Posts: 26000
Location: Lurking Below the Surface...
pizza_Place: Dino's Pizza
Makaveli wrote:
Also from what we saw of Irving very few people thought he would be as good early on. Same with Rose. There is no one that doesn't believe Anthony Davis will be a stud.

It's far from a sure thing Anthony Davis even lands in Charlotte, Makaveli. The Bobcats have the most lottery balls, but it doesn't mean they're winning the lottery in the next week or two.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43743
There are rumors out that the Bobcats are looking to trade down in the draft. Why don't the Bulls offer Deng, and the Charlotte pick they own, for their #2? Jordan might be dumb enough to do it.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:14 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 56483
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
They just got Ben Gordon. Maybe they can get some 2005 Bulls reunion going. What's Andres Nocioni up to?

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 56483
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
13 losses in a row, lost 14 of their last 15. Just when you thought they turned the corner, they might be almost as bad as they were last year.

The coach of the Bobcats is Mike Dunlap, no, not Mike Dunleavy, Mike Dunlap, who was an assistant at St. John's before answering the call of M. Jeff. Wikipedia says "He also spent five years as head basketball coach at California Lutheran University." Cool.

So now that there is actual talent on the roster, do you fire the coach? I say yes. This dovetails nicely (does anything ever dovetail poorly, or any other adverb, for that matter? It's like "staunch Catholic"; you never hear about staunch Congregationalists) with the discussion of how the NBA coaching carousel is the hardest to break into. How much longer does this have to go on before you just say "fuck it" and dredge up Flip Saunders or Stan Van Gundy to semi-adequately shepherd this thing?

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:08 am
Posts: 14018
Location: Underneath the Grace of Timothy Richard Tebow
pizza_Place: ------
Curious Hair wrote:
So now that there is actual talent on the roster,

Is there really? I mean I am as big a Bismack Biyombo fan as anyone....but there best player is Gerald Henderson...

_________________
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

Chus wrote:
RPB is right. You suck. :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 56483
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Gerald Henderson, Kemba Walker, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, kinda sorta Ben Gordon. I mean, there's something to work with.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32114
pizza_Place: Milano's
Curious Hair wrote:
Gerald Henderson, Kemba Walker, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, kinda sorta Ben Gordon. I mean, there's something to work with.


that's a whole lotta bad right there

Kidd-Gilchrist i'll give you and he hasn't really sold me from what i've seen so far


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:44 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:55 pm
Posts: 26000
Location: Lurking Below the Surface...
pizza_Place: Dino's Pizza
Curious Hair wrote:
13 losses in a row, lost 14 of their last 15. Just when you thought they turned the corner, they might be almost as bad as they were last year.

The coach of the Bobcats is Mike Dunlap, no, not Mike Dunleavy, Mike Dunlap, who was an assistant at St. John's before answering the call of M. Jeff. Wikipedia says "He also spent five years as head basketball coach at California Lutheran University." Cool.

So now that there is actual talent on the roster, do you fire the coach? I say yes. This dovetails nicely (does anything ever dovetail poorly, or any other adverb, for that matter? It's like "staunch Catholic"; you never hear about staunch Presbyterians) with the discussion of how the NBA coaching carousel is the hardest to break into. How much longer does this have to go on before you just say "fuck it" and dredge up Flip Saunders or Stan Van Gundy to semi-adequately shepherd this thing?

Well, the lovechild of Tim Allen & Rudy Tomjonovich, Flip Saunders, is now with ESPN as one of their many analysts covering the NBA. His last 2 head coaching jobs, most recently with Washington I do believe, didn't go too good and was fired early last season in favor of Randy Wittman.

Stan Van Gundy is now with NBC Sports Network after he was fired by the Magic right after the Dwight Howard debacle this summer. I don't know if he wants another shot at coaching after everything that happened with Howard, the back surgery & Orlando's awful finish to their season.

Needless to say, the Mike Dunlap hiring in Charlotte was a surprise to many. I think the guy who owner Michael Jordan passed over for the job was longtime NBA big man Patrick Ewing, most recently an assistant with the Magic.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32114
pizza_Place: Milano's
SHARK wrote:
Well, the lovechild of Tim Allen & Rudy Tomjonovich, Flip Saunders


Huh ??


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 56483
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Quote:
the lovechild of Tim Allen & Rudy Tomjonovich

Would probably be turning 18 pretty soon, if we figure their careers both peaked around 1994-1995 and thus would've been at their most celebratory around then.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:51 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:08 am
Posts: 14018
Location: Underneath the Grace of Timothy Richard Tebow
pizza_Place: ------
Curious Hair wrote:
Quote:
the lovechild of Tim Allen & Rudy Tomjonovich

Would probably be turning 18 pretty soon, if we figure their careers both peaked around 1994-1995 and thus would've been at their most celebratory around then.

Kermit Washington is just waiting to punch that imaginary kid in the face.

_________________
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

Chus wrote:
RPB is right. You suck. :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:52 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:55 pm
Posts: 26000
Location: Lurking Below the Surface...
pizza_Place: Dino's Pizza
Bagels wrote:
SHARK wrote:
Well, the lovechild of Tim Allen & Rudy Tomjonovich, Flip Saunders


Huh ??

Mac used to do the bit up the dial. If Tim Allen & Rudy Tomjonovich could procreate, you'd have Flip Saunders.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:08 am
Posts: 14018
Location: Underneath the Grace of Timothy Richard Tebow
pizza_Place: ------
SHARK wrote:
Bagels wrote:
SHARK wrote:
Well, the lovechild of Tim Allen & Rudy Tomjonovich, Flip Saunders


Huh ??

Mac used to do the bit up the dial. If Tim Allen & Rudy Tomjonovich could procreate, you'd have Flip Saunders.

I bet Rudy Tomjonavich likes it FREAKY...like getting whipped by a midget while a dominatrix steps on his balls and calls him a bad little boy. What do you think SHARK?

_________________
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

Chus wrote:
RPB is right. You suck. :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:01 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 56483
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
A 17th straight loss will qualify the Bobcats for Wikipedia's "List of National Basketball Association longest losing streaks" article, in a tie for 21st-worst among memorable outfits like the '94 Mavericks and '99 Clippers. 23 is the record they set last year. Bring it on, Bobcats. Bring it on.

EDIT: and hey, since that 23-game skid ended with the season, the Bobcats have lost 40 of their last 47. Egads.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:06 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:55 pm
Posts: 26000
Location: Lurking Below the Surface...
pizza_Place: Dino's Pizza
Curious Hair wrote:
A 17th straight loss will qualify the Bobcats for Wikipedia's "List of National Basketball Association longest losing streaks" article, in a tie for 21st-worst among memorable outfits like the '94 Mavericks and '99 Clippers. 23 is the record they set last year. Bring it on, Bobcats. Bring it on.

EDIT: and hey, since that 23-game skid ended with the season, the Bobcats have lost 40 of their last 47. Egads.

The Bobcats are in Brooklyn tonight, CH. They host New Orleans tomorrow night & face the Bulls in a New Year's Eve matinee at United Center in a "2 WGN" game Monday afternoon @ 2P. The Bobcats' losing streak could reach 19 by the time the Bulls get through with them.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bobcats SOLID
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 56483
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Does "2 WGN" mean it's on both feeds, or just the local feed? Not that it affects me; I only get plain old channel 9 8)

Ooh, I don't know if they'll lose to the Hornets, though. That's going to be a game that is not good.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 96 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 50 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group