It's now official. Email evidence. Curley and Shultz were going to report it to proper authorities and Paterno talked them out of it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2166780/Penn-State-officials-covered-Jerry-Sandusky-child-abuse-talk-Joe-Paterno.html

all i can think about is the thousands of people who cried when that pile of shit finally croaked.

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Well that clearly blows the whole "He's a demented old man, didn't understand the situation" theory out of the water. Tough to spin a way to defend him now.

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It's a very short article for such a revelation but the e-mail does not say what you report it to say.

I think I said from the beginning that this is how it went down. Paterno thought they could handle it internally with counseling and the punishment of not being his heir. That was an error in his judgement that should have been voiced by his nominal superiors.

"Made them" implies they had no free will to report, which is entirely not true. This is on adminstrators equally or more than it is on Paterno.

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"That was an error in his judgement" is one way of putting it. Another way is to say he consciously covered up a pedophile's crimes to protect his and the university's reputations. I agree the administration is at least equally guilty, probably moreso.

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The AD and President are equally guilty. The point is Paterno was their boss despite what the titles say. He ordered the code red. They followed it.

This news will be beaten to death on Monday's show. Poor Dan has to wait 48 hours to get out his verbal pitchfork.

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classic beardown.

This was linked in the Daily Mail article. Holy crap:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -pass.html


Tell me about how you masturbate. Julie, you're so nice to your callers...

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I'm not making any leaps. Here is Curley's email to the Penn State President:

Curley writes: "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."

The athletic director apparently preferred to keep the situation an internal affair and talk things over with Sandusky instead of notifying the state's child welfare agency to investigate Sandusky's suspicious activity.

"I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved," Curley allegedly continues.

Here is a more detailed CNN article.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/30/justice/penn-state-emails/index.html

Yeah. I mean I'm sure the Paterno clan is gonna say he lied in the email. Not sure why he would lie about that. It indicates that Joe Pa was at least complicit in the cover up.

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They were probably in the shower with the boys.

I love that all this always comes out on Friday news dumps. Poor Bersnie has to wait till Monday. What did he say before? He sits at home crying about this? lol

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Isn't it convenient for the administration that this comes out now that JoePa is dead? That being said, I can't see how saying JoePa forced them to cover up the crimes would decrease charges.

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It really is A Few Good Men if you think about it. A subordinate compromises his morality to a superior out of fear, allegiance and self-preservation.

Curley = Markinson



Paterno = Jessup



Danny = Danny

If you were to replace the word "death" and "dead" with "rape" and "raped", Curley could write the exact same suicide letter to the parents of all of Sandusky's victims as Markinson wrote to Santiago's parents.

Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh_YollHzUI

It's more like Sara Ganim is Tom Cruise, actually. And Bernstein is more like the A Few Good Men version of Salacious B. Crumb (google it).

If we keep the Few Good Men comparison, this would be like the 8-month long version of it where Jack Nicholson spends the first 7 months shouting, "You can't handle the truth!"

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This is bad for Paterno but the whole "Paterno was in charge of the whole university" thing is WAY overblown here. This isn't the 80s and early 90s where he was a God there. There was pressure for him to retire for a long time. It was at least since 2000. In all honesty, Penn State has been a disappointment since joining the Big Ten and Joe Paterno could logically have been forcibly retired at least since 2001. He was in no position to withstand this scandal and go after those who told. The thing is that the other administrators were just as culpable and in big trouble, likely never working ever again at a major institution, if the Sandusky stuff was uncovered in 2001 with what happened in 1998.

Joe Paterno didn't stop his "bosses" from doing anything. He obviously had input, and was complicit in the coverup, and he obviously should have went to police himself, but this should not be portrayed as the administrators wanted to go to authorities but Joe Paterno said no and that was it. That's illogical. Joe Paterno would be powerless to stop that or do anything about it if they defied him. This isn't some minor issue. It's multiple felonies happening on campus.

So, to sum it up, Joe Paterno is to blame, but he's not to blame more than anyone else who covered it up. His legacy deserves to be destroyed but it deserves to be done fairly. Joe Paterno was not running the university by 2001. His job was in jeopardy.

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Yes you are.

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Oh really!

Is that why when the administrators came to his front door to fire him Joe went out the back door and continued coaching.

Naive thinking there, but your basic premise is correct, they were all equally cuplable and should all pay a hefty price, be that financially or by going to prison.

Can you explain this? I was under the impression that the only attempt to fire was done by phone.

However, I was talking about when the coverup happened in 2001. Joe Paterno was not nearly as powerful then as he was when he was among the truly elite coaches in the country.
It's not naive. The ultimate failure was on the people who were legally required to report this. Joe Paterno's failure was a moral one. That's why we have legal reporting requirements.

I'm not defending Paterno, he was wrong and he knew it too. It's just stupid to blame him more because he was the de facto head of the athletic department. Joe Paterno did what is expected of an employee. He should have done more, but unlike many others involved in this he did the minimum that was expected.

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At the time of the scandal, was Paterno still the leading fundraiser-donor at the school? If so, then he most definitely was "in charge of the whole university."

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Is Phil Knight in charge of the university of Oregon? Is T Boone Pickens in charge of Oklahoma State?

Ultimately, Joe Paterno is not going to be able to force others to commit felonies. They knew they were in big trouble from this and covered it up. Joe Paterno was involved and deserves punishment.

Does anyone honestly think that these administrators wanted to report a child molestation ring but Joe Paterno said no? Wouldn't any human being quit the next day and then report it? This incident was the failing of many, many people. Joe Paterno is the most visible and easy target but there are at least 3 other people who not only could have stopped this, but were legally required to stop this. Joe Paterno was only morally required to stop it.

I think people are confusing power with absolute power here. Joe Paterno was powerful. He may have been more powerful than the administrators. He was not powerful enough to cover up a child molestation ring. To think otherwise is ludicrous. He needed a lot of help to do it from people with more power(at least in technical terms).

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Are either of those people on the board of trustees for the institutions you mention? If so, then it's likely they do run them. That's what donors do.

I'm not suggesting that Spanier and Curley shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. I was just making a point about the power wielded by people like Paterno. His influence at the school had to have been immense given that he was one of its top donors, one of its top fundraisers, and the head coach of its football program, which plays a key role in shaping the PSU's institutional identity and its ability to raise additional funds.

Beardown seems to think that Paterno was the mastermind in the Sandusky cover up. Maybe he's right. As dolphin said, however, the article he cites provides no evidence to support this view.

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How many multimillion dollar decisions are made at those two universities without consulting those two guys first?

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I don't

But I'm pretty certain you don't either.

The key word is "influence". Paterno may have had the most "influence". He didn't have the power to cover up a child molestation ring. Pretty much everyone was involved, including those who were legally required to do something.

It just seems to me that people use Joe Paterno's popularity to make a case he was as culpable here as people who were legally required to do something and will be going to jail for not doing so. Joe Paterno deserves a lot of blame in this but that isn't fair. An official chain of command existed that did not have Joe Paterno anywhere near the top. Any of them do the right thing and all of a sudden things happen and this is stopped in 2001.

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There is probably a list of 50 people who get consulted on those, depending on what it is in reference too.

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I've said before that the official institutional chain of command isn't entirely reflective of the real power structure at Penn State. As university president, Spanier ostensibly occupied an institutional position superior to that of Paterno and answered only to the board of trustees. As the (or one of the) leading fundraisers and donors to the school, however, Paterno was a de facto member of the board of trustees. Spanier may have nominally been Paterno's superior, then, but I question the belief that he was really calling the shots. As university president, it was his job to stay in the good graces of the trustees and donors. In many respects, the main responsibility of a university president is to ensure the continued flow of funds into the institution. Paterno's protean institutional position thus calls into question the whole idea that a stable hierarchy existed at PSU.

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I agree with that in normal matters, but this was a child molestation ring. Even the most powerful football coach in the world would be powerless to stop someone from reporting that to the authorities unless the people who could be doing the reporting shared the same opinion.

Spanier, and others, had 100% power to stop this hypothetical coverup by Paterno.

The real reason they didn't is because they knew that it would destroy their careers. They'd have to be fired/asked to resign and they'd never get another job like that again.

Joe Paterno is an easy target here, and he deserves blame, but Penn State gave official power to people and they failed to do what was right with it.

Let's just play out the situation where Joe Paterno says "Let's not tell anyone" and any of the men facing jailtime says "No, I'm going to the authorities". What exactly could Paterno do to them? That's the real power here. Joe Paterno could pick his football opponents, and probably could make decisions on what kind of library is built with his money, but even he didn't have the power to cover up a child molestation ring. No one did individually. It's unfair to put him on the same level as guys who broke the law in not reporting it.

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