Yes you are.

Ok. I am. But it's a logical leap.

1. Curley was going to report Sandusky to proper authorities.

2. Curley talked to Paterno.

3. Curley emailed Penn State president saying he's changed his mind on how to handle Sandusky after talking to Paterno.

4. Ispo facto, Joe ordered the cover up.

5. Because of this cover up, Sandusky goes on to rape kids for 10 more years.

6. It's more logical to say he ordered the cover up than it is to say he didn't.

I don't

But I'm pretty certain you don't either.

Yes it is.

When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.

That's not the buyer's remorse I mean. The president made a decision on how to act but kept thinking about it, consulted with Paterno and decided he was wrong.

You can choose to believe that. The most likely scenerio is Paterno told the AD and President that they were wrong. So they went with Joe's "speak no evil" plan because Paterno is basically their boss.

I agree with that in normal matters, but this was a child molestation ring. Even the most powerful football coach in the world would be powerless to stop someone from reporting that to the authorities unless the people who could be doing the reporting shared the same opinion.

Spanier, and others, had 100% power to stop this hypothetical coverup by Paterno.

The real reason they didn't is because they knew that it would destroy their careers. They'd have to be fired/asked to resign and they'd never get another job like that again.

Joe Paterno is an easy target here, and he deserves blame, but Penn State gave official power to people and they failed to do what was right with it.

Let's just play out the situation where Joe Paterno says "Let's not tell anyone" and any of the men facing jailtime says "No, I'm going to the authorities". What exactly could Paterno do to them? That's the real power here. Joe Paterno could pick his football opponents, and probably could make decisions on what kind of library is built with his money, but even he didn't have the power to cover up a child molestation ring. No one did individually. It's unfair to put him on the same level as guys who broke the law in not reporting it.

Wait, are you saying Paterno wasn't as much at fault as the guys legally required to report the abuse because Paterno couldn't physically restrain them from reporting the abuse?

That seems like quite a stretch. No one gets absolved in this mess, but Paterno sure as hell doesn't get absolved because he couldn't physically stop people from following his (assumed) orders. If Paterno simply said "Let's not report this" and then everyone reported it against his wishes, he still is a bottom dwelling scumbag. The fact that they listened to him just makes it worse.

We are talking about power here. For instance, Joe Paterno had the power to block his son from being fired. He did not have the power to stop them from reporting this to authorities. Even if Paterno ordered them to cover this up they could have easily told him to do whatever he could to stop him. His power came from his public popularity. That is gone the moment Joe Paterno holds a press conference asking for his superiors to be fired because they reported a child abuse ring.
I don't know where I said he was absolved of anything. He's just not the most responsible.

Once again, and this is irrefutable. There were men that were legally required to report this. They did not. They will be going to jail for it. Joe Paterno was not one of those men. Morally, Joe Paterno was very wrong. Mcqueary was very wrong. However, there were men who were trusted to report this or face criminal charges. How could they not be more responsible for this than guys who weren't?

I agree with that in normal matters, but this was a child molestation ring. Even the most powerful football coach in the world would be powerless to stop someone from reporting that to the authorities unless the people who could be doing the reporting shared the same opinion.

Spanier, and others, had 100% power to stop this hypothetical coverup by Paterno.

The real reason they didn't is because they knew that it would destroy their careers. They'd have to be fired/asked to resign and they'd never get another job like that again.

Joe Paterno is an easy target here, and he deserves blame, but Penn State gave official power to people and they failed to do what was right with it.

Let's just play out the situation where Joe Paterno says "Let's not tell anyone" and any of the men facing jailtime says "No, I'm going to the authorities". What exactly could Paterno do to them? That's the real power here. Joe Paterno could pick his football opponents, and probably could make decisions on what kind of library is built with his money, but even he didn't have the power to cover up a child molestation ring. No one did individually. It's unfair to put him on the same level as guys who broke the law in not reporting it.

We lose a lot of rights when we look the other way when it doesn't affect our lives or it isn't a cause we agree with.

We are talking about power here. For instance, Joe Paterno had the power to block his son from being fired. He did not have the power to stop them from reporting this to authorities. Even if Paterno ordered them to cover this up they could have easily told him to do whatever he could to stop him. His power came from his public popularity. That is gone the moment Joe Paterno holds a press conference asking for his superiors to be fired because they reported a child abuse ring.
I don't know where I said he was absolved of anything. He's just not the most responsible.

Once again, and this is irrefutable. There were men that were legally required to report this. They did not. They will be going to jail for it. Joe Paterno was not one of those men. Morally, Joe Paterno was very wrong. Mcqueary was very wrong. However, there were men who were trusted to report this or face criminal charges. How could they not be more responsible for this than guys who weren't?

We lose a lot of rights when we look the other way when it doesn't affect our lives or it isn't a cause we agree with.

I disagree entirely. This is a binary situation .... there should not be the pretense of any "levels" of culpability.

To say otherwise is to say - and this is irrefutable - that there exist some people more (or less) responsible to report child rape, and that is just country-fucking-dumb.

.... don't be mislead; I still heart BRick and always will, so there ....

Yes, he was. why are you defending this piece of shit?

When it comes to the Bears, America is just a slobbering shitwagon. Every single opinion of his regarding this team is the most pristine of doomsday horseshit.

Yes, he was. why are you defending this piece of shit?

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Rick stepping up to defend insular and byzantine stupidity in college athletics is as reliable as a sunrise.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Dan Bernstein doesn't have a stance on Boilermaker Rick.

Since it's not a hockey thought, if he did, you certainly would have the same thought.

By the way, I don't see how I was defending Paterno. I'm merely pointing out the true statement that others were expected both morally and legally to do something. If you want to say that everyone is equally guilty like Don Tiny I won't argue. Many though seem to think Paterno is just below Sandusky and above everyone else in blame. I disagree.

Sorry if that offends you CH.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Rick stepping up to defend insular and byzantine stupidity in college athletics is as reliable as a sunrise.

"Paterno and Penn State can't be blamed that much for this"