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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:45 am 
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"The Dark Ages" for the Bulls is all relative, obviously. A similar proclamation might mean something different for, say, the Charlotte Bobcats.
That might be the worst usage of the word "might" ever.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:04 pm 
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I think it's been more bad timing than anything. When they had a max deal to offer, they got Ben Wallace, who may have been the best player on the market that off-season. With LeBron James and Chris Bosh, they had already decided to play in Miami. Right out of the Jordan years, the organization was in disarray, but I think it's all about timing - if they have max money to offer a player in 2014, they have a good chance of getting that player.

It's hard to make drastic moves this off-season without have a MLE to offer, and being right at the cap. The only way to add a name player is to trade one (Deng/Noah), and they are resistant to going down that route.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:10 pm 
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What I haven't seen from the Bulls' organization is a bold move like what the Celtics did prior to 2008 when they got Kevin Garnett from the Timberwolves. That bold move helped bring another NBA title to Boston back then. Right now, neither V.P. John Paxson nor G.M. Gar Forman is Danny Ainge, the Boston executive willing to make such a bold move.


That's pretty much the perception. Outside of Rose, they have their solid players - Noah, Boozer, Gibson, Deng, Asik, Hinrich, Hamilton - who all do certain things well, but aren't great at any one thing. They have (or had) very good depth that helps them win regular season games, but doesn't matter nearly as much come the playoffs, and shorter rotations, but the system they have has produced the best record in the last 2 years, and I think they believe they would have won last year had Rose not gotten injured. They don't think they need to make major changes, they need Rose back, he'll be everyone else better, and the team's defense/rebounding/depth will wear teams out. After this season, they are likely to have this core in place now for 3 unsuccessful runs in the playoffs, and, they will likely bring them back again for another run because Derrick Rose will have a full off-season after playing some this upcoming season, and they will believe that a healthy team in 2013 can be amongst the elite in the NBA, not to mention, that after 2013-2014, they will, or could, make some free agent moves.


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BD, I think the time has come for this Bulls' front office to consider yet another reboot. While the current core of Luol Deng, Joakim Noah & Derrick Rose, before the torn ACL, were able to get to the NBA Eastern Conference Finals 2 years ago, I don't think it's good enough to compete for the Larry O'Brien Trophy as long as LeBron, D.Wade and Chris Bosh are standing right in the way down in Miami.

Bulls' Executive Vice President John Paxson & General Manager Gar Forman can talk about this core all they want, but they're not winning a title as currently structured. The time has come for these Bulls to strongly consider dealing Deng & Noah, not just to create salary cap space, but also to get others who can help this team next season and beyond.


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Are we counting 2004-2007 as the dark ages? Because those years were about as productive as the Rose era: 41-41 finishes, first-round exits, feelings of optimism.

Are you serious?

The Bulls had the best record in the league the past two seasons. That's not a 41-41 finish. They made the Eastern Conference Finals last year and were a lock to make it again this year if Rose and Noah didn't get hurt. The 2004-2007 Bulls and the Rose-led Bulls are nothing alike.

Obviously I was talking about the Vinny years. I wouldn't call everything from 1998 to 2010 the Dark Ages.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:28 pm 
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BD, I think the time has come for this Bulls' front office to consider yet another reboot. While the current core of Luol Deng, Joakim Noah & Derrick Rose, before the torn ACL, were able to get to the NBA Eastern Conference Finals 2 years ago, I don't think it's good enough to compete for the Larry O'Brien Trophy as long as LeBron, D.Wade and Chris Bosh are standing right in the way down in Miami.

Bulls' Executive Vice President John Paxson & General Manager Gar Forman can talk about this core all they want, but they're not winning a title as currently structured. The time has come for these Bulls to strongly consider dealing Deng & Noah, not just to create salary cap space, but also to get others who can help this team next season and beyond.


I don't think Bulls management has the same opinion on the roster.


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BD wrote:
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BD, I think the time has come for this Bulls' front office to consider yet another reboot. While the current core of Luol Deng, Joakim Noah & Derrick Rose, before the torn ACL, were able to get to the NBA Eastern Conference Finals 2 years ago, I don't think it's good enough to compete for the Larry O'Brien Trophy as long as LeBron, D.Wade and Chris Bosh are standing right in the way down in Miami.

Bulls' Executive Vice President John Paxson & General Manager Gar Forman can talk about this core all they want, but they're not winning a title as currently structured. The time has come for these Bulls to strongly consider dealing Deng & Noah, not just to create salary cap space, but also to get others who can help this team next season and beyond.


I don't think Bulls management has the same opinion on the roster.

Exactly. The time has come to break this team up.


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BD, I think the time has come for this Bulls' front office to consider yet another reboot. While the current core of Luol Deng, Joakim Noah & Derrick Rose, before the torn ACL, were able to get to the NBA Eastern Conference Finals 2 years ago, I don't think it's good enough to compete for the Larry O'Brien Trophy as long as LeBron, D.Wade and Chris Bosh are standing right in the way down in Miami.

Bulls' Executive Vice President John Paxson & General Manager Gar Forman can talk about this core all they want, but they're not winning a title as currently structured. The time has come for these Bulls to strongly consider dealing Deng & Noah, not just to create salary cap space, but also to get others who can help this team next season and beyond.


I don't think Bulls management has the same opinion on the roster.

Exactly. The time has come to break this team up.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Break em up....

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I'm serious, folks. These Bulls aren't winning squat as long as Derrick Martell Rose is sidelined with the torn ACL and this team is closer to the NBA's luxury tax than they are winning an NBA Championship.


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You're right. The Bulls should definitely be run as if Derrick Martell Rose will injured forever.

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That's not quite what I meant, but if they're not about to amnesty Carlos Boozer's contract, they should be trying to trim salary, not add. Uncle Jerry has been very adamant about not wanting to pay the NBA luxury tax unless they're in position to win a title. As long as those "Big 3" in Miami are in the way, that's not happening.


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They were in position to do so until Derrick Martell Rose was hurt this past postseason.

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They were in position to do so until Derrick Martell Rose was hurt this past postseason.

Exactly. I'm not holding my breath that Derrick plays 1 minute of basketball this season, TP, as a direct result of this torn ACL. I realize that modern medicine has come a long way, but everything I've heard suggests that it could be a FULL CALENDAR YEAR or more before #1 returns to actual basketball again. That means we might not see Rose again until the NBA Playoffs this upcoming season or the start of the 2013-14 season if what Bulls' team doctor Dr. Brian Cole's initial briefing to reporters is accurate.


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They were in position to do so until Derrick Martell Rose was hurt this past postseason.

Exactly. I'm not holding my breath that Derrick plays 1 minute of basketball this season, TP, as a direct result of this torn ACL. I realize that modern medicine has come a long way, but everything I've heard suggests that it could be a FULL CALENDAR YEAR or more before #1 returns to actual basketball again. That means we might not see Rose again until the NBA Playoffs this upcoming season or the start of the 2013-14 season if what Bulls' team doctor Dr. Brian Cole's initial briefing to reporters is accurate.


So you want them to "break this team up" and rebuild them into a championship contender in one year?

That's not realistic is it.

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These Bulls are not winning the NBA Championship as long as LeBron, D.Wade & Chris Bosh are in the DAMN WAY down in Miami! I thought I made myself clear on that.


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These Bulls are not winning the NBA Championship as long as LeBron, D.Wade & Chris Bosh are in the DAMN WAY down in Miami! I thought I made myself clear on that.


Ok....

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I find it funny that some Bulls fans were ready to crown their asses this season with the team they had and now that Rose is out the team is terrible and should be gutted. If they were good enough this year just stay the course and wait for 2013 until Rose is back again.

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Bulls Basketball 2012-2013: Has Lebron retired yet?
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I find it funny that some Bulls fans were ready to crown their asses this season with the team they had and now that Rose is out the team is terrible and should be gutted. If they were good enough this year just stay the course and wait for 2013 until Rose is back again.


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I find it funny that some Bulls fans were ready to crown their asses this season with the team they had and now that Rose is out the team is terrible and should be gutted. If they were good enough this year just stay the course and wait for 2013 until Rose is back again.


NO! SHARKstradamus has spoken!


He hasnt been the only one though.

In the grand scheme of things, this doesnt matter because the fall and winter will be dominated with the Bears run to the Super Bowl.... probably for the next 4 years in a row.... at least.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I find it funny that some Bulls fans were ready to crown their asses this season with the team they had and now that Rose is out the team is terrible and should be gutted. If they were good enough this year just stay the course and wait for 2013 until Rose is back again.

The entire roster should be assassinated. Get with the program, Hank.

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I'm serious, folks. These Bulls aren't winning squat as long as Derrick Martell Rose is sidelined with the torn ACL and this team is closer to the NBA's luxury tax than they are winning an NBA Championship.


They could have used this season as a sort of a rebuilding year had they moved Deng for a draft pick, but I understand both sides of moving him. You're hardly guaranteed of getting a good player at #7. Clearing salary though is necessary at some point to add another star, but that probably won't happen until 2014.


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They were in position to do so until Derrick Martell Rose was hurt this past postseason.

Exactly. I'm not holding my breath that Derrick plays 1 minute of basketball this season, TP, as a direct result of this torn ACL. I realize that modern medicine has come a long way, but everything I've heard suggests that it could be a FULL CALENDAR YEAR or more before #1 returns to actual basketball again. That means we might not see Rose again until the NBA Playoffs this upcoming season or the start of the 2013-14 season if what Bulls' team doctor Dr. Brian Cole's initial briefing to reporters is accurate.


9-12 months is an accurate timeline.

I think Derrick Rose will be back shortly after the all-star game in February. They can work him in over the last month or two of the regular season and see how he looks. My guess is the Bulls will be in #5-#8 range in the East when he comes back so, if he does come back strong, say 80% of the pre-injury version, they will be a team that most won't want to see in Round 1.


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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I find it funny that some Bulls fans were ready to crown their asses this season with the team they had and now that Rose is out the team is terrible and should be gutted. If they were good enough this year just stay the course and wait for 2013 until Rose is back again.


NO! SHARKstradamus has spoken!


He hasnt been the only one though.

In the grand scheme of things, this doesnt matter because the fall and winter will be dominated with the Bears run to the Super Bowl.... probably for the next 4 years in a row.... at least.


No it hasn't, and I don't want to be accused of picking on SHARK.

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I think the reason is that the Bulls have and maintain an organizational hierarchy and power structure. A lot of the stars aren't cool with that. The owner is not going to give a player or players more power than the coach and GM.

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For the record, nobody's picking on me. I'm just not all that optimistic about the upcoming Bulls' season, especially with Derrick possibly missing all of next season with the torn ACL & Luol Deng possibly missing the first 2 months. This contrary to what head coach Tom Thibodeau told ESPN Radio 1000's "Waddle & Silvy" about 2 weeks ago that surgery on Luol's wrist might not be necessary after the London Summer Olympics later this month.


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I'd have traded Deng and started over as well. Instead, by bringing back Curt, the Bulls will vacillate between 4th and 6th all year and quietly lose in the first round, just like the good old days of Curt.

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I'd have traded Deng and started over as well. Instead, by bringing back Curt, the Bulls will vacillate between 4th and 6th all year and quietly lose in the first round, just like the good old days of Curt.


I believe it is Kirk and not Curt.

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Yeah I don't get it. The Kings are always down for a beneficial Deng trade in 2K-whatever. That is my go-to trade to dump salary and actually put together a winner.

Dont fucking laugh. My 2009and 2010 MLB The Show Sox roster looks eerily similar to what they are fielding right now. I know shit.

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Why are we excited about this?

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