This isn't what he said.

He could have no idea its going on regardless of what consequences there are for him.

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I dont think my neighbor is going become a meth addict just because drugs are legal. But what is the difference if he does it now illegally or if he can buy it in a store. If he goes nuts and kills me or robs me it is the same outcome regardless of it being legal. I cant stop someone from doing something before it happens, this isnt minority report.

Couldnt your neighbor be equally as disruptive if they were a huge alcoholic?


In regards to the prescription pill abuse, that is because there is no other legal alternative. Legalize weed and other drugs and I would hazard a guess people would switch to that from pills. Especially if it was cheaper.

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Of course you can do something. You are aware that police can be called to report illegal activity correct?
Of course. The fact that alcohol can be bad doesn't mean other bad things should be made easier.
Why aren't drugs easy to get? One of the major things we talk about in this is that drugs are already easy to get. Which is it? If this is true, then drugs being legal is in fact limiting supply and usage.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I cant call the police to go investigate my neighbor on suspicion of being a meth addict. You are aware of the Constitution and associated amendments that stop police from randomly searching homes without cause?


I never said drugs were easy to get. I am saying that I dont think people would go run out and try dangerous drugs just because they are legal. If you want to do coke, you will find a way to get it. If we legalize it, you cut out the drug dealers and save this country a ton of money.

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Hypothetically, if they were completely quiet about it and I had no idea that it was going on of course I wouldn't need to do anything. The discussion is when I start to get negative consequences based on my neighbors drug use and what I can do to correct the situation. As I said, I don't really care if they use drugs. I care if it starts to be a bother to me. I have so many more options if they are doing something illegal rather than something legal. I have to imagine that eventually meth addicts become pretty bad neighbors. That's why I would like to be able to have options if and when they do.
You don't think there are a lot of people out there that avoid illegal drugs because of the fact they are illegal?
In theory. With marijuana, it's probably true. With all drugs, I doubt our society would see a net gain. In fact, that's probably why there is no major country where all drugs are legal.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I doubt there are any people that avoid drugs simply because they are illegal. Would you suddenly begin using heroin or meth if they were made legal tomorrow?

In fact, consumption of alcohol went up during the prohibition:
http://druglibrary.org/prohibitionresults1.htm

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What types of things are you worried about having a drug addict living next door that you couldnt call the cops on if drugs were legal? If they were being loud, call the cops. If they started not taking care of their lawn and home, call the town to issue citations. If they start to harass your family call the cops for that. It would be like living next door to a really bad drunk. You could be surrounded by meth addicts right now in your home, and be blissfully unaware.

I think more people first try drugs because they are illegal.

EDIT: Except for weed. I think if that was legal a lot more people would use it.

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...or those townies that put their college sports teams colors all over the house and lawn on game day.



Yes, I am a bad person.

The legal status would probably be the #1 explanation as to why I have never tried pot.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

...or I could call the cops saying that they are smoking crystal meth, which is a bigger offense than not mowing your lawn or a noise violation.

The questions you ask don't really matter. Of course I could have bad neighbors who don't smoke meth. However, there is no scenario where meth being legal improves my situation with them but for obvious reasons it makes it worse for me for many other reasons. Not to mention, the whole smoking meth in outdoor public places which would also be a bother.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The legal status would probably be the #1 explanation as to why I have never tried pot.[/quote]
Did you drink alcohol before turning 21? Do you smoke?

If there were proper restrictions around the purchase of substances (age limits, possible conviction stipulations off the top of my head), and the proper amount of parenting, I am not as concerned with a large spike in drug use if it were to be legalized.

My guess is Boilermaker Rick was properly groomed into the person he became through family, religion, friends and schooling who knows what else. The final product came out pretty good. My guess is that many people like you, in fact most, aren't going to substantially change their habits just because some of this stuff is legalized.

The other thing I didn't see brought into consideration here is that crystal meth won't be legalized in its current form. I would think it possible something could be created that provides some aspects of the drug without the horrific dependency/health issues.

Yes, and no. Age limits are another discussion though. Even Team Legalize It believes that 8 year olds shouldn't be able to buy and smoke crystal meth.
Most people probably wouldn't, but most probably don't now.

There are multiple people on this site that want ALL drugs to be legal. In general, I am pointing out the absurdity of that stance.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Pictures I never thought I would see on CSFMB.
And no. That's not the OG.

what if slavery was legal ?

If someone was cooking meth in their basement/house you would definitely be able to smell it.

begging for a Guy Fierei post

Elmhurst Steve would be a much happier person.

He is right, crime would go down..turf battles would cease to exist.

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People also said the mafia would go away after prohibition was lifted.

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I dunno about that, the mafia is as weak as it has ever been...it is pretty obsolete ...the mafia made their money in whores and gambling forever...they got into booze much later..whoever said that is not a smart man.

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One of the ways gangs make a lot of money infact according to the police is in illegal cigs.

I am pro legal pot but not cocaine or heroin or meth. Those things and rugs like them have no real positive effects.
Another drug I think should be legal is X. Anything that makes you feel like that is a good thing.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Methadone clinics and Oxy/Roxy are pretty much legal smack, anyone who does hard drugs will do them regardless of the legal or not..legalizaton just cuts the cartels out and local turf wars.

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Recent article:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/cdc-gang-violence-drugs.html

Gang violence is less related to drugs than thought, CDC says

Gang homicides are less likely to be drug-related than many people think -- and more likely to be the result of factors such as retaliation to ongoing gang violence, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday. The report is from the first such study based on the agency’s National Violent Death Reporting System.

Using data from 2003 through 2008, the analysis looked at gang-related killings and other homicides in large cities in 17 states and found the highest level of gang homicides in five cities. Three were in California -- Los Angeles, Long Beach and Oakland; the other two were Oklahoma City, Okla., and Newark, N.J.

The finding that drugs played less of a role than previously thought by the public could be important for policymakers, because it could shift the focus in how society attempts to prevent gang deaths.

“Violence -- including gang homicides -- is a significant public health problem,” Linda C. Degutis, director of the CDC’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, said in a prepared statement. “Investing in early prevention pays off in the long run. It helps youth learn how to resolve conflicts without resorting to violence and keeps them connected to their families, schools and communities, and from joining gangs in the first place.”

The report, published in the CDC’s current Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, is based on the National Violent Death Reporting System. The state-based surveillance system collects violent death data from multiple sources, such as death certificates, coroner and medical examiner records, and various law enforcement reports.

The data focused on five cities that met the criteria of having a high prevalence of gang homicides. According to the report, the cities had 856 gang-related homicides and 2,077 non-gang homicides.

“This report highlights the importance of a system like NVDRS,” Howard Spivak, director of the CDC’s Division of Violence Prevention, stated. “The system’s unique ability to provide a comprehensive picture of the circumstances surrounding violent death can help identify prevention opportunities and approaches for populations and communities most at risk.”

According to the report, drugs play a relatively minor role in homicides. In Los Angeles and Long Beach, less than 5% of all homicides were associated with known drug trade or use. In Oakland, 12.5% of gang homicides, compared with 16.5% of non-gang homicides, involved drug trade or use. In Oklahoma City, 25.4% of gang homicides, compared with 22.8% of non-gang homicides, involved drugs. Newark was the only city with a significantly higher proportion of drug involvement in gang homicides, at 20% compared with non-gang homicides at 6%.

Comparing gang-related homicides to homicides outside of gangs showed that gang homicide victims were younger than non-gang homicide victims. Gang victims ranged from 15 to 19 years old. Approximately 80% of all homicide victims were male, but Los Angeles, Newark and Oklahoma City reported significantly higher proportions of male victims in gang homicides than in non-gang incidents.

Firearms were the weapons of choice in gang-related homicides. Between 92% to 96% of gang homicide incidents involved a firearm, compared with 57% to 86% in non-gang related homicides. Drive-by shootings were more likely to contribute to gang homicides than other types of homicide in Los Angeles and Oklahoma City; about a quarter of gang homicides in each city were from drive-by shootings, according to the report.

Less than 6% of the victims of all homicides were bystanders.

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That report is garbage..if the police can only solve around 40 ish % of homicides then how can this writer determine the motive in all these homicides...Drugs are the main revenue supply for gangs...you legalize drugs you take away a massive amount of money coming in.

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But that won't stop gang violence.

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It would cut it down significantly though. At least one would think.

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It may. Or gang members may find something else to kill each other over.

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Lets close this thread. Hitler. There. Everyone move on, there is nothing to see here.

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Maybe. Nobody knows for sure. All we do know is that we've been doing the same exact thing about drugs for 40 years and have failed massively up to this point. Time to try a different approach.

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Oh I agree with that point. I just don't think it would eliminate gang violence.

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