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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:44 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:46 pm 
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Omer is my guy. I think he could be worth 5-6 mil per season. I think he can become one of the top defenders at his position in the league. This deal is kind of scary though. Taj is going to get an even bigger contract next season, and they will probably match that too. Where is there going to be money to acquire anyone via free agency? They already have Rose, Boozer, and Noah tied up long term, and also 2 years are left on Deng's contract. This was a deal they should have just let go.


Boozer will likely be amnestied after 2013-2014 season, and Deng is up after the 2013-2014 season. Asik becomes a trade chip in the last year of his deal or they can let his contract expire.

My one concern is that matching Asik has consequences - not signing Gibson and/or moving Noah. I do have major concerns with the money, if Gibson is resigned, that is allocated in the front court, especially with so much tied into depth.

With the European plan coming in a few seasons, and the Charlotte pick (which I think will eventually be moved), they do have assets for the future as well, but I do see them setting up for a adding a major player in 2014 - whether it's using Asik's expiring deal and/or cap room created by letting their veterans walk.


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I believe he is worth double the money he will be getting in the 3rd year of this deal

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Has Omer even signed an offer sheet?

Houston seems to be trying to make a play for Superboy.

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Has Omer even signed an offer sheet?

Houston seems to be trying to make a play for Superboy.

Yeah I think Omer has officially signed it.

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Thanks buddy.

I wasn't sure. So the Bulls have til Saturday right?

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If the Bulls match the offer for Omer, its time to start the fire Garpax movement again.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Thanks buddy.

I wasn't sure. So the Bulls have til Saturday right?

Yeah I think so.


What does it say about our heroic duel GM tandem that Scorehead has easily figured out the right play here and they haven't?

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Hypothetically, wouldn't the last year for Omer be a great trade for cap relief contract?

If the Bulls are going to target 2 or 3 years from now to be elite, that could be useful at the deadline.

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Hypothetically, wouldn't the last year for Omer be a great trade for cap relief contract?

If the Bulls are going to target 2 or 3 years from now to be elite, that could be useful at the deadline.

My understanding of the league now is that expiring deals don't carry nearly the weight they used to. There's too much bad money floating around that there's so many of those deals every year. I think the cap hindrance outweighs any small benefit that might come 30 months from now.

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With talk of Houston amnestying Luis Scola, what about a sign and trade for him? Talk about a real asset...


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With talk of Houston amnestying Luis Scola, what about a sign and trade for him? Talk about a real asset...

Because he is just Carlos Boozer with a better contract

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With talk of Houston amnestying Luis Scola, what about a sign and trade for him? Talk about a real asset...

Because he is just Carlos Boozer with a better contract

Thats a good asset.

Carlos Boozer doesn't suck. He just sucks for $15M/year.

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With talk of Houston amnestying Luis Scola, what about a sign and trade for him? Talk about a real asset...

Because he is just Carlos Boozer with a better contract

Thats a good asset.

Carlos Boozer doesn't suck. He just sucks for $15M/year.

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Lu is a star.

I just wanted to get the Boozer stat line but the picture I found had Deng's on there too

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Has Omer even signed an offer sheet?

Houston seems to be trying to make a play for Superboy.

Yeah I think Omer has officially signed it.


No - he has not signed it yet.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:23 am 
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Has Omer even signed an offer sheet?

Houston seems to be trying to make a play for Superboy.

Yeah I think Omer has officially signed it.


No - he has not signed it yet.

Really? He has a worse agent than Eric Gordon.

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I read the Rockets are hoping that the Bulls and Knicks match on their Lin and Omer deals because they want more cap room to trade for Supergirl. But as good faith to the rest of the league they can't renege on offering the contracts because it would make them look terrible around the league. As much as I love Omer I hope that Gar drops that 15 M turd of that 3rd year on that contract right back on Daryl Morey.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hypothetically, wouldn't the last year for Omer be a great trade for cap relief contract?

If the Bulls are going to target 2 or 3 years from now to be elite, that could be useful at the deadline.


Not cap relief - I doubt any team under the cap would take on Omer. It does allow the Bulls though to offer another team cap relief in trading Omer, in the last year of his deal, for a player making similar money, around the $14M number, who is in multi-year contract. For example, the Nets deal for Joe Johnson, where they traded players in the last year of thier deal for Johnson, who has another 3 years left at big money.


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Has Omer even signed an offer sheet?

Houston seems to be trying to make a play for Superboy.

Yeah I think Omer has officially signed it.


No - he has not signed it yet.


Houston couldn't officially offer it until they got Camby off their books. He's expected to sign it today or tomorrow.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hypothetically, wouldn't the last year for Omer be a great trade for cap relief contract?

If the Bulls are going to target 2 or 3 years from now to be elite, that could be useful at the deadline.


Not cap relief - I doubt any team under the cap would take on Omer. It does allow the Bulls though to offer another team cap relief in trading Omer, in the last year of his deal, for a player making similar money, around the $14M number, who is in multi-year contract. For example, the Nets deal for Joe Johnson, where they traded players in the last year of thier deal for Johnson, who has another 3 years left at big money.
Maybe I didn't make it clear, but isn't that exactly what I was saying? Omer is trade bait in that final year for those looking for cap relief.

Basically, his value is as an expiring contract then.

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Don't worry Rick. That is what you said and you said it pretty clearly.

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Is there not something fundamentally wrong with how NBA free agency works? You are basically overpaying to keep a guy so in a few years you can get rid of that same guy. Then once you get rid of the guy in few years you make a run at a big free agent who will go elsewhere and you start the 3 year process again.

It may make for a boring off season but it seems like players should have to get 10 seasons of service time before being granted free agency. Contracts would be adjusted through an arbitration process similar to baseball. The stars would then be spread out, teams could actually develop players over time. I'm sure the union would never allow it.

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Is there not something fundamentally wrong with how NBA free agency works? You are basically overpaying to keep a guy so in a few years you can get rid of that same guy. Then once you get rid of the guy in few years you make a run at a big free agent who will go elsewhere and you start the 3 year process again.

It may make for a boring off season but it seems like players should have to get 10 seasons of service time before being granted free agency. Contracts would be adjusted through an arbitration process similar to baseball. The stars would then be spread out, teams could actually develop players over time. I'm sure the union would never allow it.

10 years is insane. By that time they are already on the down side of their career. Plus alot of NBA GM's are terrible. Thats why star players leave. LeBron didnt leave Cleveland because its a small market. He left because Danny Ferry was an atrocios GM who used up all Cleveland's cap space and never gave LeBron a better player than Moe Williams to play with.

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Danny Ferry now generally manages the Atlanta Hawks, and he someone dealt Joe Johnson's bad contract to the Brooklyn Nets shortly after he took over his new position down there.


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LeBron didnt leave Cleveland because its a small market. He left because Danny Ferry was an atrocios GM who used up all Cleveland's cap space and never gave LeBron a better player than Moe Williams to play with.

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It's Sideshow Bob.

I thought that was that WWE wrestler who went by the name Caribbean Cool...

You are thinking of Nikolai Volkoff

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I thought that was that WWE wrestler who went by the name Caribbean Cool...

You are thinking of Nikolai Volkoff

No...Not even warm, and I'm old enough to remember Nikolai Volkoff.


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