i've already posted my thoughts on this issue.

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I think Courtney Love would have something to say about that Coach .

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but now's your chance to go dan patrick and say them again!

that's true...
can i just copy and paste from the other thread Z? does that count?

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that would be the equivalent of what DP does, yes, do it!

I like both bands, but like Pearl Jam more. I would even say that Nirvana is Overrated. Since most people "rate" that Nirvana is better than Pearl Jam, I would say that makes Pearl Jam Underrated.

Take 5 Pearl Jam songs

5. Not for You
4. Alive
3. Black
2. Rearview Mirror
1. Present Tense

That list was a lot harder than I thought it would be to make. A lot of good songs being left off...

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Since when did 'income' make a band better? Perhaps more popular - that's about it.

Unless of course you're talking about some other 'W-2'.

I'm a big fan of "corduroy", "once", "go", "jeremy" (one of the best videos of all time), and "evenflow" (even though it was overplayed).

a top 5 would be tough to come up with...

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Along with a few songs from their latest album. "Come Back" is amazing, and when I heard "Life Wasted" live, it rocked my face off.

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FACTUALLY speaking, if you look at 'record' sales - Nirvana doesn't hold a candle to Pearl Jam.

Even funnier are some of the 'bubble-bum pop acts' that are among the heavyweights:

The Recording Industry Association of America's Top-Selling Albums of All Time*

29 Million
Eagles: Their Greatest Hits, 1971–1975, Eagles (Asylum)

27 Million
Thriller, Michael Jackson (Epic)

23 Million
Led Zeppelin IV, Led Zeppelin (Atlantic)
The Wall, Pink Floyd (Columbia)

21 Million
Greatest Hits, Volumes I & II, Billy Joel (Columbia)
Back in Black, AC/DC (Epic)

20 Million
Double Live, Garth Brooks (Capitol Nashville)
Come On Over, Shania Twain (Mercury Nashville)

19 Million
The Beatles, The Beatles (Capitol)
Rumours, Fleetwood Mac (Warner Bros.)

17 Million
The Bodyguard (soundtrack), Whitney Houston (Arista)
Boston, Boston (Epic)

16 Million
Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin (Swan Song)
The Beatles: 1967–1970, The Beatles (Capitol)
Greatest Hits, Elton John (Island/Mercury)
Hotel California, Eagles (Elektra)
Cracked Rear View, Hootie & the Blowfish (Atlantic)
No Fences, Garth Brooks (Capitol Nashville)
Jagged Little Pill, Alanis Morissette (Maverick)

15 Million
Appetite for Destruction, Guns 'N Roses (Geffen)
Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd (Capitol)
Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack), Bee Gees (Polydor/Atlas)
Born in the U.S.A., Bruce Springsteen (Columbia)
The Beatles: 1962–1966, The Beatles (Capitol)
Supernatural, Santana (Arista)

14 Million
Metallica, Metallica (Elektra)
Simon & Garfunkel's Greatest Hits, Simon & Garfunkel (Columbia)
…Baby One More Time, Britney Spears (Jive)
Greatest Hits, Journey (Capitol)
Bat Out of Hell, Meat Loaf (Epic)
Backstreet Boys, Backstreet Boys (Jive)
Ropin' the Wind, Garth Brooks (Capitol Nashville)

13 Million
Purple Rain (soundtrack), Prince and the Revolution (Warner Bros.)
Greatest Hits: 1974–1978, Steve Miller Band (Capitol)
Millennium, Backstreet Boys (Jive)
Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band Live: 1975–1985 (box set), Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band (Columbia)
Whitney Houston, Whitney Houston (Arista)

12 Million
Led Zeppelin II, Led Zeppelin (Atlantic)
Abbey Road, The Beatles (Capitol)
No Jacket Required, Phil Collins (Atlantic)
The Woman in Me, Shania Twain (Mercury Nashville)
Ten, Pearl Jam (Epic)Forrest Gump (soundtrack) (Epic)
Wide Open Spaces, Dixie Chicks (Monument)
Yourself or Someone Like You, Matchbox Twenty (Atlantic)
Hot Rocks, The Rolling Stones (abkco)
II, Boyz II Men (Motown)
Kenny Rogers's Greatest Hits, Kenny Rogers (Capitol Nashville)
Slippery When Wet, Bon Jovi (Mercury)
Hysteria, Def Leppard (Mercury)
Breathless, Kenny G (Arista)
Pieces of You, Jewel (Atlantic)

11 Million
Up!, Shania Twain (Mercury Nashville)
Human Clay, Creed (Wind-Up Records)
CrazySexyCool, TLC (LaFace)
Dirty Dancing (soundtrack) (RCA)
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles (Capitol)
James Taylor's Greatest Hits, James Taylor (Warner Bros.)
Eagles Greatest Hits, Vol. II, Eagles (Elektra)
Falling into You, Celine Dion (Epic)
No Strings Attached, 'N Sync (Jive)
Devil Without a Cause, Kid Rock (Lava)
Houses of the Holy, Led Zeppelin (Atlantic)
Titanic (soundtrack) (Sony Classical)

10 Million
'N Sync, 'N Sync (RCA)
Life After Death, Notorious B.I.G. (Bad Boy/Arista)
Let's Talk About Love, Celine Dion (550 Music/Epic)
Aerosmith's Greatest Hits, Aerosmith (Columbia)
Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin (Atlantic)
Greatest Hits, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers (MCA)
The Stranger, Billy Joel (Columbia)
The Immaculate Collection, Madonna (Warner Bros.)
Fly, Dixie Chicks (Monument)
Eliminator, ZZ Top (Warner Bros.)
Best of the Doobies, Doobie Brothers (Warner Bros.)
Van Halen, Van Halen (Warner Bros.)
Faith, George Michael (Columbia)
Music Box, Mariah Carey (Columbia)
Like a Virgin, Madonna (Sire)
Unplugged, Eric Clapton (Reprise)
Can't Slow Down, Lionel Richie (Motown)
Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em, Hammer (Capitol)
Tapestry, Carole King (Ode)
The Lion King (Soundtrack) (Walt Disney)
The Joshua Tree, U2 (Island)
Nevermind, Nirvana (DGC)
Legend, Bob Marley & the Wailers (Island)
Tragic Kingdom, No Doubt (Trauma/Interscope)
1984 (MCMLXXXIV), Van Halen (Warner Bros.)
Dookie, Green Day (Reprise)
The Hits, Garth Brooks (Capitol Nashville)
Daydream, Mariah Carey (Columbia)
Come Away With Me, Norah Jones (Blue Note)
Pyromania, Def Leppard (Mercury)
Greatest Hits, Patsy Cline (MCA)
Speakerboxxx/The Love Below, Outkast (So So Def)
Hybrid Theory, Linkin Park (Warner Bros.)
Oops!…I Did it Again, Britney Spears (Jive)
Songs in the Key of Life, Stevie Wonder (Motown)
1, The Beatles (Capitol)

and all the way towards the bottom of the list

57 albums sold
Razamanaz, Nazareth (A&M Records)

3 albums sold, 2 returned for full credit
One Crazy Night at Riddles in Orland Park, Harry Teinowitz (Ross Portable Cassette Recorder)

I admit I hold some personal resentment for these two bands. They closed the door on the hair bands that were, for lack of a better word, fun. Out went torn jeans and big hair and everybody started not showering, wearing flannel, and clunky boots. It just wasn't for me.

I find Nirvana to be crap. The music is okay but the lyrics are either stupid, depressing, or really really out there. Zack, if Cobain was saying what you were feeling I'm sorry for you. He was a drugged out, depressed, selfish, yutz married to a coked out whore.

I find Pearl Jam's songs to be better but also find something inherently cheesy about them. Alive grosses me out. When I hear Elderly women...the chorus I hear is hearts and farts they fade away. I find any song to contain the word butterflies to be a bit burrito. The lead singer seems like a prick. Keep it.

Give me songs about sex and drugs over that auditory shitfest anyday. To paraphrase Abbie Hoffman, The '60s 70s and 80s are gone, dope will never be as cheap, sex never as free, and the rock and roll never as great.

Jim D the fact that The Bodyguard soundtracksold 17 Million makes the argument for record sales void. There is no accounting for crap that general public will consume.

they were rough times for me; but my generation was about feeling sorry for themselves. one of our anthems was "loser" by beck for god's sake. i hated being a teenager, i was an outcast, blah blah...but really, i was more of a they might be giants fan over all of that, and that was the happiest music you could possibly listen to. and most people thought of it as just novelty crap.

i was a selfish depressed yutz when i was a teenager, sans the drugs, but I still thought Nirvana was good music apart from that. Your sentiment is shared by people I know who were growing up in the 80's and once their music was being mocked by MTV and stuff, they resented the new wave of rock and the fact that it was being called more important than anything you guys grew up on.

"Teenage angst has paid off well; now I'm bored and old" is still one of my favorite lyrics of all time from any band; from Nirvana's "Serve the Servants" off "In Utero".

the pumpkins are better than both bands.

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Stinkfinger The Crow Has some thoughts on the Pumpkins, Doug.

There's a reason why I loved them in the seventh grade- it's because their lyrics sound like they could have been written by any of my peers at the time.

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That's part of what I resent too. I'm part of your geneneration and I could never figure out all the anger, sadness, and loneliness. What was there to be sad about?

Yeah, the pumpkins were okay but I kinda of agree with Stink.

a bit more upbeat in the lyrical content than nirvana and pearl jam too...

from Starla:

serve yourself
no one else can do for you like you
no one else fails like me
in my eyes i burn alive
fly like a bird
no more words just you and i
high in the sky

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Ask the goth kids now. I don't know what gets kids all pissed off now. Maybe they don't have a video ipod or something.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

well, i can't speak for my whole generation, but personally i had a lot of problems due to moving twice during my adolescence, and the second move that was made from illinois to delaware was at a time when i had finally made some close friends, that once again, i had to say good-bye to. i've moved 5 times in my life when i was living with my family, and there were two that really hurt: when i was 11 we moved from georgia to missouri (so i went through jr. high not knowing anyone), and when i was 16, moving from illinois to delaware (had to go through junior/senior year starting all over again). senior year actually turned out to be the most fun i'd had in school since 5th grade, but the years in between were terrible. especially for an introvert like me. beat up, picked on, target, etc. so feeling sorry for myself was an easy way out...

Hey Zack,
Wanna start a support group.

When I was 13, I moved from Poland to the US.
Makes it kinda tough to keep in touch.
Then I went to 3 different High Schools, cause my parents moved from Illinois to Florida for 18 months after my freshman year.

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I've got you all beat...I grew up in Indiana.

But, at least I was smart enough to get out.

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that's rough. we need a name for our support group. and a really cool motto.

FUCK THAT martyr-dumb, ponder these:

You better turn me loose
You better set me free
Cause I'm hot, young, running free
A little bit better than I use to be

Agreed Zack. My mother moved us twice while I was growing up. Both times I was just starting to make friends (which has never been the easiest thing for me). The second one hurt the most because there was a girl I really liked and I was slowly building up the courage to talk to her...but it never happened.

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Kid Cairo: 2013 March Madness Tournament Winner!

"Cowabunga? Cowa fucking piece of dog shit! This game is diarrhea coming out of my dick!"

OK,
You work on that.
You're pretty good with photoshop.

My only request would be that we move each monthly meeting to a different location

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first stop shoeless joe's?

that sucks. i had similar situations with girls, but like you said, it was hard for me to make friends at all, let alone girlfriends. but i know what you're saying, there was a girl in my biology class i still am sure liked me but we never got together or even had that...budding start, because i moved.

maybe we should start a thread too, telling our horror stories of moving

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Or just horror stories with girls.

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Hindsight is 20/20 Spaulding. We were teenagers - we never felt like we fit in, felt like we were always being picked on, and had no idea what we were supposed to do with ourselves. Just because ultimately those things look foolish now, doesn't make them any less important at the time. Nirvana spoke to a lot of us; while the lyrics were way beyond our own personal angst (for the most part - there were plenty of people who felt more along the same lines as Kurt), the tenor and the tone was what many of us heard. Nevermind was mind blowing, in that it was the first time someone put to music how many of us felt. I know I indentified more with the alienated feelings on Teen Spirit more than the overblown, drug-induced sex parties that bands like Guns, Poison, Def Leppard, and every other 80's act was singing about.

To quote a great philosopher, " Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel." However, it made us feel like we weren't experiencing all this stuff on our own. While Kurt's problems were with fame and staying true to himself, he still put into words a lot of similar feelings. That can't be understated, in my opinion.

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WZ
You're slacking.
Here is a name & logo possibility.

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