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So once again we see the double standard in this country in respect to hate speech.

How so?


A guy gets suspended for saying Monday, a word that has other meaning than a racial slur. Was it used as a racial slur,probably.
Now why don't people get in the same level of trouble for using cracker as a racial slur?
That is a double standard.

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Are you honestly offended when someone refers to you as a "cracker"? :lol: :lol:

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A guy gets suspended for saying Monday, a word that has other meaning than a racial slur. Was it used as a racial slur,probably.

:lol:

That's kinda the point.

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I am temporarily lifting my ignore ban because this has the makings of one of those "Chas slips on the proverbial banana peel of logic and common sense" threads.

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I believe my homey Stone Roses is fighting a righteous battle (against the overly PC times we live in) on the wrong battlefield (Crawford doesnt apply. Someone was calling him a name specifically becasue of his race.)


I would agree with that assessment.

There's no shortage of folks who cannot bloody wait for their next opportunity to yell and scream about how they are offended, which is really just a signal to the rest of us that they are too emotionally retarded to control themselves therefore they will make their problem our problem too.

By the same token, I don't see how it's too terribly taxing to understand why Crawford didn't care for the INTENT - and that is the key in this instance - behind the otherwise mundane word 'monday'.

My guess is when people use a word like 'mondays' or 'canadians', they must suppose that they somehow get to avoid having to answer to scrutiny for out-and-out saying 'hey look at that pack of geniuses over there', even though there is no reasonable reason to think they meant anything other than that, they're just too cowardly to use the word they mean.

Therefore, they're arguably worse people because not only do they carry irrational disdain, but they're also too chicken-shit to stand up for their disdain.

In closing, to undermine any credibility I may have gained from the previous dissertation, here's a delightfully racist .gif .....



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So once again we see the double standard in this country in respect to hate speech.

How so?


A guy gets suspended for saying Monday, a word that has other meaning than a racial slur. Was it used as a racial slur,probably.
Now why don't people get in the same level of trouble for using cracker as a racial slur?
That is a double standard.

This has been covered ad nauseum here. Cliffnotes version is that our country has an extensive history of white on black racism, and not the other way around. Since racial slurs toward black people come from a perceived position of power, they are looked at as more hurtful and damaging. I dont exactly subscribe to this way of thinking, but I understand its a more complex issue than can be described using the term "double standard"".

Still, there's no double standard here since there is nobody being called a cracker in this story. The double standard is in your proposed hypothetical.

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My guess is when people use a word like 'mondays' or 'canadians', they must suppose that they somehow get to avoid having to answer to scrutiny for out-and-out saying 'hey look at that pack of geniuses over there', even though there is no reasonable reason to think they meant anything other than that, they're just too cowardly to use the word they mean.

Therefore, they're arguably worse people because not only do they carry irrational disdain, but they're also too chicken-shit to stand up for their disdain.

Racist gif aside, that's a good post and complely encapsulates how I feel about it.

Part of me actually respects Steve for at least having the balls to be out in the open with how he feels about minorities.

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Looks like Houston Homer will be hearing a lot about Mondays the next time she is with her niece.

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Are you honestly offended when someone refers to you as a "cracker"? :lol: :lol:

My guess would be that there is not a single white person who is offended by being called "cracker."
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A guy gets suspended for saying Monday, a word that has other meaning than a racial slur. Was it used as a racial slur,probably.

:lol:

That's kinda the point.

It is great when the Chaspopcap cavalry rides in to the rescue.

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I've heard white people use that "c" word far more than brothers.

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Are you honestly offended when someone refers to you as a "cracker"? :lol: :lol:


In truth yeah I am. It implies a negative outlook on me because of my skin color. As I have said before. There are a lot better reasons to dislike/mistrust someone than the color of their skin.

FF the point I am making is that he got suspended for making a racial slur. Yet you can turn on the TV and you will be bombarded with the word cracker. We keep hearing that everyone needs to be treated equally but in reality it is not done. If it was cracker would not be an accepted part of our society.

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I think Tuesday sucks worse than Monday. There are a lot of people just laying low on Monday trying not to get noticed. Tuesday is a full fledged work day with expectations and angry calls.

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What is the negative outlook of being called a cracker? What does the word imply? Just wondering as to why it offends you.

P.S. I hope this a bit you're doing.

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Yet you can turn on the TV and you will be bombarded with the word cracker.

Yes...white guys saying it.

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I think Tuesday sucks worse than Monday. There are a lot of people just laying low on Monday trying not to get noticed. Tuesday is a full fledged work day with expectations and angry calls.

Totally agree. Monday is almost an extension of the weekend. A lot of people spend half the day just recaping the weekend or catching up from leaving early friday.


Tuesday is a dirty whore. Still have a LOOONG week ahead of you and the weekend buzz is completely gone.


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Yet you can turn on the TV and you will be bombarded with the word cracker.

Yes...white guys saying it.

But the percentage who say Cracka ass Cracka is highly african american


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chaspoppcap wrote:
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Are you honestly offended when someone refers to you as a "cracker"? :lol: :lol:


In truth yeah I am. It implies a negative outlook on me because of my skin color. As I have said before. There are a lot better reasons to dislike/mistrust someone than the color of their skin.

FF the point I am making is that he got suspended for making a racial slur. Yet you can turn on the TV and you will be bombarded with the word cracker. We keep hearing that everyone needs to be treated equally but in reality it is not done. If it was cracker would not be an accepted part of our society.

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Everyone loves crackers though. If Monday is an insult then cracker is a compliment.

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Yet you can turn on the TV and you will be bombarded with the word cracker.

Yes...white guys saying it.

But the percentage who say Cracka ass Cracka is highly african american

Chris Rock notoriously said it...in 1999. Who else?

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Everyone loves crackers though. If Monday is an insult then cracker is a compliment.


Nothing better than this cracker:

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Not everybody loves crackers. Crackers are dry and boring.

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Are you honestly offended when someone refers to you as a "cracker"? :lol: :lol:


In truth yeah I am.

Then I would think you would feel empathy towards Crawford.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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Yet you can turn on the TV and you will be bombarded with the word cracker.

Yes...white guys saying it.

But the percentage who say Cracka ass Cracka is highly african american

Chris Rock notoriously said it...in 1999. Who else?

Ive NEVER heard a white person say it.


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Are you honestly offended when someone refers to you as a "cracker"? :lol: :lol:


In truth yeah I am.

Then I would think you would feel empathy towards Crawford.


Here's Chas' take on it in a nutshell:

"Yeah, we used to be racist towards them, but a lot of them have been racist towards us too so they already balanced the scale."

See, he thinks the playing field is even. It's not.

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Chris Rock also referred to us as Saltine muthafuckas. Thats ok though. I aint mad.

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Cairo, why the need to keep publicizing who is on your ignore list. I have seen at least 3 posts today with you bringing in a reference to the foe list. It seems like a petty thing to do and maybe try to get some people on your bandwagon or something. Just seems out of character...

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'Canadians' has been used as a racist term toward balcks...really? I have never, ever heard of that.

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Cairo, why the need to keep publicizing who is on your ignore list. I have seen at least 3 posts today with you bringing in a reference to the foe list. It seems like a petty thing to do and maybe try to get some people on your bandwagon or something. Just seems out of character...


I pictured your avatar scolding Cairo as I read your post.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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Are you honestly offended when someone refers to you as a "cracker"? :lol: :lol:


In truth yeah I am.

Then I would think you would feel empathy towards Crawford.


Here's Chas' take on it in a nutshell:

"Yeah, we used to be racist towards them, but a lot of them have been racist towards us too so they already balanced the scale."

See, he thinks the playing field is even. It's not.

His stance(many others too) seems to be "Stop being offended by meaningless words.... Dont call me cracker because its offensive!".

I dont get it. You cant admonish people for being slaves to political correctness, then say you are offended by being called cracker. Thats taking having it both ways to a whole new level.

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Cairo, why the need to keep publicizing who is on your ignore list. I have seen at least 3 posts today with you bringing in a reference to the foe list. It seems like a petty thing to do and maybe try to get some people on your bandwagon or something. Just seems out of character...

I dunno. It probably is petty.

I never needed a bandwagon here though. I'm perfectly comfortable supporting my own thoughts and stances.

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