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"Wins mean NOTHING!! These three starts by Quintana prove it. If someone says a guy is only a 500 pitcher just walk away from the idiot"


Christopher Rongey

Quintana has the same fucking winning percentage he did before the game. This game had no effect on his winning percentage. The ultimate result had nothing to do with him other than the fact that his manager believed he couldn't finish it. FUCK MATT THORNTON. AND FUCK CHRIS RONGEY!!!!!

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Carlos Marmol for AA OF Kenneth Williams straight up. You get a closer and you get to pay the rest of his contract and Theo can cut Kenneth and put him out of his misery as should have been done years ago.

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That's my purse! I don't know you!

Its like he was rolling you specifically. He even said those specific starts prove it. As if we just figured out wins can be misleading.



At least your team is good enough to have a big loss.

Yeah, well... FUCK CHRIS RONGEY!!! He's a fucking house man anyway. He'll be rooting for a different team when he gets a play-by-play job and I'll be dying with the White Sox like always.

Did he explain how getting a no decision affected Quintana's winning percentage? What the fuck does it have to do with being .500 then???????? He pitched good. So did Buchholz. Neither one figured in the outcome. It was a low-scoring game. Does he think the Sox should have scored more in their half of the ninth? Then Quintana would have had "run support". Baseball just doesn't work that way. It was hard to score tonight. For both teams. The pitchers played a big part but so did conditions, umpiring, etc.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I personally don't think the pitch to Ross was all that bad despite the outcome, thing was what, 2 , 3 inches inside,? did a good job of clearing and driving it. Of course, what Thorton did before that happened is the reason for the loss.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I don't agree with Chris

I hate anyone named Chris. Fucking morons.

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Come on guys, other than a couple pitches the guy pitched really well.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Its unisex ability in of itself condemns it to the scrap heap.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Guys that run baseball teams like to talk about "roles" when it suits them. But the role of the closer- and what he comes to expect and is used to- is starting a clean inning. That's the Guillen way. And the way most guys do it. It's push button. And you can't get beat up too bad for it. "Hey, I went with my closer. He didn't have it tonight." Fine. It's when you start thinking you're smarter than anyone else that you get in trouble. "Addison Reed is my closer, but I've got a feeling about Thornton in this situation." You're gonna get raked for that when it goes bad. And deservedly so.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Agree, If I'm managing this game, its either Quinn Tanna to start the 9th or Reed. Why he continues to fuck around with LaTroy Thorton is beyond me.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Didn't you shit on this line of thinking last year with Santos?

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I'm sure I've railed here about going all the way with the closer even when he's getting destroyed. Like he's the last man we're helpless and we've just got to lose with him. I don't agree with that, but at least I understand it. It's push button managing 101.

Tonight was a LOOGY situation with Crawford for the first out. At that point, either Quintana is that LOOGY or you come with the closer. Like you said. Instead they bring Thornton in. He fails against his best match-up. That's when the real mistake was made. He had to come out then. If this were a call to Rongey he'd being blasting me and pointing out that he got the next hitter to hit a double-play ball. So what? He got lucky and then he got unlucky. Thornton can't strike anyone out anymore and that's exactly why he can't be used in high leverage situations.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Not exactly. See my post above.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm watching you....

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would have been the perfect spot for Ohman

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Don't get me started on Will Ohman.

My own opinion of what happened last night. This loss is front & center on Robin Ventura. The ONLY things I could figure are that Jose Quintana had 103 pitches after 8 innings and I thought Quintana started to show signs of fatigue after Red Sox hitters started to make contact in the 7th & 8th innings after all Boston had for the first 6 innings was a Pedro Ciriaco triple. That's it.

Consider this for a moment, too. With Jesse Crain out, the ONLY veteran reliever in that White Sox bullpen right now is Matt Thornton. The SCORE/White Sox Radio Network PBP voice Ed Farmer said during that 14-inning marathon win in Kansas City that the Sox missed Crain in spots like this past Friday night when the Southsiders used a whopping 8 pitchers in the "W". Pitching Coach Don Cooper said on The SCORE's "Mully & Hanley Show" yesterday that Crain's expected to come off the DL this weekend in Detroit, but needless to say, it doesn't change what happened in the 9th in Boston.

I was as surprised as anyone that Thornton, not Addison Reed, started the bottom 9th with the White Sox nursing a very slim 1-0 lead and the Red Sox had Carl Crawford, Dustin Pedroia & Adrian Gonzalez scheduled to hit. If RV didn't think Quintana had enough to at least start the bottom 9th, he should've gone right to Reed for a save opportunity and that's it. This loss is as much on Thornton & Reed on the field as RV in the dugout.

Here's something else, too. Our Sox had a chance in the top half of the inning to add an insurance run and they failed to do so. I know that 3B Kevin Youkilis was out with a tight hamstring and he was available to pinch hit, but the execution from the White Sox offense in that series on the whole sucked in Boston.