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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:11 am 
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If PSU "pled" they would have given themselves the sanctions.

It's simple: nobody's stopping the NCAA because they have the authority to do what they did. Everybody, save one person, sees that.

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I appreciate what you are saying, but these institutions aren't run like you think they are run. If you think they adhere to strict limits of authority governed by bylaws then I think you might be the guy at the banks of the Rubicon telling Julius Caesar that he can't cross. We're in uncharted waters. The public wants the NCAA to do more. As a result, the NCAA is filling a vacuum of authority. Institutions evolve. But to your point, it may not necessarily be for the better of the sport or these academic institutions.


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Piggybacking on MUD, It's not just the public that wants the NCAA to do more. They made it clear at the press conference yesterday that the member universities want them to do more as well.

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If PSU "pled" they would have given themselves the sanctions.

That makes no sense. When you plea bargain you aren't setting your own punishment. You are accepting the punishment of someone else.

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It's simple: nobody's stopping the NCAA because they have the authority to do what they did. Everybody, save one person, sees that.

I'm flattered you think this is an original argument I'm making but plenty of others have beaten me to the punch. In any event, you didn't answer my question. Assume the NCAA tried to impose a punishment for which it lacked authority, under its own rules, to impose. Who would stop them?

Mud: I agree with you. The NCAA is filling a void because of popular pressure. I just don't like it. I don't want Emmert to turn into Roger Goodell.

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 Post subject: Re: Penn State Punished
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Irish Boy wrote:

Mud: I agree with you. The NCAA is filling a void because of popular pressure. I just don't like it.

This could be written as "the NCAA is stepping up their authority. I just don't like it."

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Mud: I agree with you. The NCAA is filling a void because of popular pressure. I just don't like it.

This could be written as "the NCAA is stepping up their authority. I just don't like it."

I have a long and storied history of being an NCAA apologist in general, second only to my history of being an apologist for Jerry Angelo. Just not in this case.

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WTF, I worked hard on the "Julius Caesar crossing the Rubicon" line to establish some sort of messageboard street cred... I'm going back to posting dick jokes. :lol:


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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
WTF, I worked hard on the "Julius Caesar crossing the Rubicon" line to establish some sort of messageboard street cred... I'm going back to posting dick jokes. :lol:

I had no idea what you were talking about (public university grad).
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WTF, I worked hard on the "Julius Caesar crossing the Rubicon" line to establish some sort of messageboard street cred... I'm going back to posting dick jokes. :lol:

That shit only builds cred on Wildcat Nation. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Penn State Punished
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Irish Boy wrote:

Mud: I agree with you. The NCAA is filling a void because of popular pressure. I just don't like it.

This could be written as "the NCAA is stepping up their authority. I just don't like it."


You shouldn't either. Around 14% of PSU's operating budget comes from state appropriations. This fine essentially consists of a private consortium unilaterally and summarily demanding money from a state-funded institution.

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I don't know how Penn State will be covered when the season starts.

I just wonder if they beat a big team this year, if the announcer says with all the stuff going, this team has come together and got a big win, or something like that, the comment that just turns people and like a show B&B just rip the announcer for saying that.


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And yes, PSU pled. If they hadn't, this case would still be ongoing, because absolutely none of the NCAA said normal enforcement procedures have begun. There was no NCAA investigation. No letter of allegations was sent, nor a response proffered. There was no hearing. Emmert went to PSU and said "accept this or else" and they accepted it. If you don't want to call that a plea bargain, make up some new name for it, but the idea is exactly the same.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8199905/penn-state-nittany-lions-rodney-erickson-said-school-faced-4-year-death-penalty

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 Post subject: Re: Penn State Punished
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Mentioned in another thread. This is by no means over. Additional links if you go to the link at the bottom discussing "Standing Order IV".

Penn State Board of Trustees to meet this afternoon regarding President Rodney Erickson's handling of NCAA sanctions

The Penn State Board of Trustees will meet this afternoon to discuss President Rodney Erickson's accepting NCAA sanctions against the football team without hearings or approval from the board, a source said.

Some board members say Erickson broke Standing Order IV under "Matters Requiring the approval of the Board of Trustees."

Provision 2-e of Standing Order IV states the following actions must be approved by the board: Authorization to borrow money; authorization of persons to sign checks, contracts, legal documents, and other obligations, and to endorse, sell or assign securities.

Newly elected members Anthony Lubrano and Adam Taliafero are among some board members who have been critical of Erickson's acceptance of NCAA sanctions, which included a $60 million fine.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breakin ... ees_t.html


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 Post subject: Re: Penn State Punished
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:11 pm 
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Mentioned in another thread. This is by no means over. Additional links if you go to the link at the bottom discussing "Standing Order IV".

Penn State Board of Trustees to meet this afternoon regarding President Rodney Erickson's handling of NCAA sanctions

The Penn State Board of Trustees will meet this afternoon to discuss President Rodney Erickson's accepting NCAA sanctions against the football team without hearings or approval from the board, a source said.

Some board members say Erickson broke Standing Order IV under "Matters Requiring the approval of the Board of Trustees."

Provision 2-e of Standing Order IV states the following actions must be approved by the board: Authorization to borrow money; authorization of persons to sign checks, contracts, legal documents, and other obligations, and to endorse, sell or assign securities.

Newly elected members Anthony Lubrano and Adam Taliafero are among some board members who have been critical of Erickson's acceptance of NCAA sanctions, which included a $60 million fine.

Yes, please fight it. Get it overturned. Have the NCAA investigate. Have your football program eradicated. Then try to get the previously agreed to sanctions put in place instead. Sounds worth the effort.

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 Post subject: Re: Penn State Punished
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beni hanna wrote:
Mentioned in another thread. This is by no means over. Additional links if you go to the link at the bottom discussing "Standing Order IV".

Penn State Board of Trustees to meet this afternoon regarding President Rodney Erickson's handling of NCAA sanctions

The Penn State Board of Trustees will meet this afternoon to discuss President Rodney Erickson's accepting NCAA sanctions against the football team without hearings or approval from the board, a source said.

Some board members say Erickson broke Standing Order IV under "Matters Requiring the approval of the Board of Trustees."

Provision 2-e of Standing Order IV states the following actions must be approved by the board: Authorization to borrow money; authorization of persons to sign checks, contracts, legal documents, and other obligations, and to endorse, sell or assign securities.

Newly elected members Anthony Lubrano and Adam Taliafero are among some board members who have been critical of Erickson's acceptance of NCAA sanctions, which included a $60 million fine.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breakin ... ees_t.html


This means another month, at least, of 65% PSU based B&B shows.


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beni hanna wrote:
Mentioned in another thread. This is by no means over. Additional links if you go to the link at the bottom discussing "Standing Order IV".

Penn State Board of Trustees to meet this afternoon regarding President Rodney Erickson's handling of NCAA sanctions

The Penn State Board of Trustees will meet this afternoon to discuss President Rodney Erickson's accepting NCAA sanctions against the football team without hearings or approval from the board, a source said.

Some board members say Erickson broke Standing Order IV under "Matters Requiring the approval of the Board of Trustees."

Provision 2-e of Standing Order IV states the following actions must be approved by the board: Authorization to borrow money; authorization of persons to sign checks, contracts, legal documents, and other obligations, and to endorse, sell or assign securities.

Newly elected members Anthony Lubrano and Adam Taliafero are among some board members who have been critical of Erickson's acceptance of NCAA sanctions, which included a $60 million fine.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breakin ... ees_t.html


This means another month, at least, of 65% PSU based B&B shows.

I support the use of advanced statistics to figure the amount of airtime on the B&B show that are dedicated to child rape talk.

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beni hanna wrote:
Mentioned in another thread. This is by no means over. Additional links if you go to the link at the bottom discussing "Standing Order IV".

Penn State Board of Trustees to meet this afternoon regarding President Rodney Erickson's handling of NCAA sanctions

The Penn State Board of Trustees will meet this afternoon to discuss President Rodney Erickson's accepting NCAA sanctions against the football team without hearings or approval from the board, a source said.

Some board members say Erickson broke Standing Order IV under "Matters Requiring the approval of the Board of Trustees."

Provision 2-e of Standing Order IV states the following actions must be approved by the board: Authorization to borrow money; authorization of persons to sign checks, contracts, legal documents, and other obligations, and to endorse, sell or assign securities.

Newly elected members Anthony Lubrano and Adam Taliafero are among some board members who have been critical of Erickson's acceptance of NCAA sanctions, which included a $60 million fine.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breakin ... ees_t.html


This means another month, at least, of 65% PSU based B&B shows.

I support the use of advanced statistics to figure the amount of airtime on the B&B show that are dedicated to child rape talk.


I try to go above and beyond what the casual show listener is used to.


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This means another month, at least, of 65% PSU based B&B shows.

It might. If the Bored of Trustees really wants to go a different route, then yes. They may just be pissed that they weren't consulted before the terms were accepted, and are calling Erickson to the principles office for a bare bottom spanking.


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So Erickson just left through a back door. No comment to media. BofT meeting is still ongoing. I am really curious where this goes.


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So Erickson just left through a back door. No comment to media. BofT meeting is still ongoing. I am really curious where this goes.


It'd be great if they decide to reject the NCAA penalties and then are given a four year death penalty.

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I would LOVE to say more but I probably shouldn't, I will say I always found it curious that Erickson was given the Presidents position without a nationwide search.
They did a nationwide search for my lowly position.

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So Erickson just left through a back door. No comment to media. BofT meeting is still ongoing. I am really curious where this goes.


It'd be great if they decide to reject the NCAA penalties and then are given a four year death penalty.

I am not suggesting this and am not sure I would suggest this course. I just think this thing isn't over yet.


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I would LOVE to say more but I probably shouldn't, I will say I always found it curious that Erickson was given the Presidents position without a nationwide search.
They did a nationwide search for my lowly position.


Maybe they weren't happy with the results of their nationwide searches. :wink:


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IB why do you think this is outside of their jurisdiction?


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IB why do you think this is outside of their jurisdiction?

Because he doesn't like it. He stated that repeatedly.

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IB why do you think this is outside of their jurisdiction?

Because nowhere in the NCAA bylaws is the organization authorized to punish freestanding claims of immorality. If you don't believe me, read this: (http://chronicle.com/article/The-NCAAs- ... ld/133115/)

But apparently internal limitations don't matter much to Mark Emmert any more. For example, the absolute maximum duration for the death penalty permitted under NCAA rules is two years. Under what authority did Emmert threaten four?

Under the Spanky Theory of NCAA Authority, the actual written rules don't matter so long as no teams complain. But who would possibly step out and complain here? If PSU argues, they'll be hammered. It won't quite be as bad for other schools if they stick up for PSU, but it will still cause them negative attention in the national media.

If this ends up being a one-off, then it's not that big of a deal. More likely, though, is that this is a precedent for each time Something Must Be Done. The bold brave NCAA was so fast and decisive, why are they going slow now?

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IB chooses to believe "woulda, coulda, shoulda" instead of what actually happened. Enough with the "4 year death penalty" BS. :roll:

It happened. Move on.

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Do they punish players or teams for things like fighting, drugs, etc?


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