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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:17 pm 
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Omg the players don't want to forfeit, what insensitive assholes.


I think you missed the point. I wasn't looking for them to say not to play. Its clear though that football remains king and will rule happy vally still. But I appreciate you taking the time to be a sarcastic asshole.

There's no change in culture, guys. New head coach Bill O'Brien knew what he was getting himself into when he took the job, but his task is a lot more difficult now.

Yeah, what kind of "culture change" did we expect from a Belichick foot soldier, anyway? Belichick, the guy who's famous for getting his players to say shit like "our opponents said it should be an evenly-matched game on Sunday?!? THAT'S JUST THE BULLETIN BOARD MATERIAL WE NEEDED!" Of course he's going to play the us-v-world card right out of the gate. And then he'll suck at his job and get fired, like all of Belichick's accomplices do.

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I completely get what Woodridge Ryan (my guy!) is getting at, and he took the time to actually write something cohesive. Whether or not it agrees with X% of Bernstein or not doesn't actually impugn any of his points in and of itself.

That said, Dr. Ken (my liege!) sums up where we are with his usual brevity:

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I don't think anybody really knows what culture change is supposed to mean anyway.


Dead on. It's just a neato-keen catch-phrase that everyone can use regardless of their opinion.

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The culture changed when Paterno got canned. The removal of the statue completes Act I, II, and III of the Culture Change play.

Now, PSU is just like any other big-time jackass fan base, the LSUs, Auburns, Ohio States, and Alabamas, of the world.


Yes ... yes they are.

Not to say the rest of Ken's offerings were any less insightful, not at all. But WR's theme and DrK's theme are truly two sides of the same coin.

Nobody is going to be happy with everything that becomes the ultimate fallout of this horrifying mess, and there's too many people that think there's is the only righteous way to handle it (see also one Dan Bernstein as well as the mindless nulls that claim to be "Penn State" fighting against the world or whatever shitty drivel they wretch from their word holes).

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Should be shut down until they get rid of everybody that had a clue this was going on.


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Should be shut down until they get rid of everybody that had a clue this was going on.

There has been completed turnover at every level of the administration, from assistants* to head coach to athletic director to university president. No one is left.

*I think their defensive line coach, Larry Johnson, is still around, but he hasn't been implicated in anything.

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I would ask WR where he has been, but the answer is clearly at the end of Bernsie's dick.
To say that the focus to the Penn State Football program is still football is wrong is absurd. The university does not exist for football. Some coaches (such as Paterno) get so big that they have too much of a voice in non-sports matters so it appears the university is there for the program, not the other way around. That is the culture that needs to change and it has at Penn State. Everyone that was or could have been involved is gone. Do you think anyone there has any real power now?
The kids are staying there to play and win for themselves, the students, the school and the alumni. They are not playing to win so a future coach can rape kids.
Bernsie is beating this drum as part of his schtick, it is a shame so many are blindly following without using their heads.
Congrats that the email sucked up to him. Hopefully your life is now complete.

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The bones of Coaly the Mule support child rape.

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Vincent,
I am not blindly following Bernsie as that would be such an easy thing for you to day considering you don't fucking know me at all. I couldn't give a fuck if Bernsie wrote me back and said fuck off.

Irish Boy,
I agree they cleaned up a bit. But in some cases they have cleaned up with more brainwashed people still in some type of power (outside of the football program). We have different opinions and I can certainly respect yours.


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As most of you know, I don't post nearly as much as i used to so I apologize if this in not the right forum for this. I sent this email to Dan today and thinking about entering it into the editorial of the local newspaper. Probably needs to be polished a bit. I don't expect anyone to agree with me. Just my thoughts.


Dan,
Over the last few months I’ve appreciated you taking on the cause to be a voice for the victims of the terrible, disgusting crimes between the walls of Penn State’s athletic facilities.

While I’ve agreed with many of the points you’ve made along the way, I was always on the fence with the argument of the Penn State football program receiving the death penalty. This morning however, that all changed for me. A group of Penn State football players held their own press conference on the grounds of State College, just outside the Penn State Football facility. And what came out of their mouths spoke to me as the exact reason why this needs to be shut down immediately.

If you haven’t listened to its entirety, listen here (note that the official website for PSU athletics actually posted this):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKNhjTrU ... r_embedded

Nothing has changed at Penn State. It’s STILL all about the football team - All about THEM being the victims. When I hear things from players like "this is the greatest opportunity a Penn-Stater could ask for" in regards to playing for the Nittany Lions after these sanctions were brought down against the university makes me cringe. The greatest opportunity?! Could that be anymore insensitive to the victims?

“Hey victims, we just want to say thanks for giving us current crop of ‘Penn Stater footballers’ the opportunity of a lifetime to represent the school on the football field.”

It makes me sick.

There’s more though. They go on to mention every group of people they will play for this year. The past players and coaches before them, the alumni, the fans, people that built the school, people that don’t think politicians and NCAA administrators should be deciding the fate of a football program. They’re playing for all of them. Never once did they mention if they were playing for the victims. Never once did we hear from this group of kids that their hearts go out to the victims of the child rapist. No, this is still about football. It’s almost as if nothing has been learned and we are all right back to making this all about the football team. It’s almost as if they’re out to make the real victims the current group of football players. Collateral damage? Sure. But they’ve also been granted the opportunity to keep their scholarship or play anywhere else in the nation for this season.

And with all that, I don’t even blame these naïve kids who happen to suit up as superheroes on Saturdays for setting up their own press conference today.

I’m disappointed – again, and already – with the failure of university leadership for allowing this to happen. Someone with at least half a brain at that university should have stopped that statement from taking place this morning. There should have already been strict rules in place for the players in regards to how to conduct themselves when approached on this topic. I believe simply stating “no comment” every time a player is dealt with a scandal-type question is fine. Easy for the players to use. Keeps them from saying too much and no one should call them out on not speaking about it. I certainly would have made sure to let them all know no one will be holding their own press conferences on university grounds and furthermore would discourage them from speaking about the topic at all with people, interviews or social media. Instead this current athletic administration gives them a big megaphone by putting the press conference front and center on their official Penn State Athletics webpage.

I'm already becoming leery of this new coaching staff as its already starting to develop an "us against the world" mentality. The fact these players came out in unity today and were allowed to hold this press conference shows me that they are encouraging this type of behavior. Its gross.

Fall will be here soon. Over one hundred thousand people will be tailgating and cheering on their football team. Who knows what kind of propaganda, slogans and silly t-shirts the home crowd will conjure up to make their football team look like the victims. These fans will be doing more to make sure the rest of the nation views the Penn State football team as victims. In Happy Valley, the true victims will be forgotten.

I know there are good people at Penn State. I know there must be embarrassed members and alumni of Penn State. Some of these good people are scared to stand up and say what needs to be said. Unfortunately that was a big part of the problem that got the university where they are today. Penn State needs courageous, loud leaders at this defining moment. Leading purely by example is not enough in this case. Because they are up against many loud die-hard football loving worshippers that see or hear no evil – and those fans are the ones representing Happy Valley to the world. To allow that group to be the loudest voice may be allowing the university to never truly change.

That is the problem, and to me this is EXACTLY why they shouldn't be playing football this year. Nothing has been learned, nor will anything be learned anytime soon. There seems to be no course of true change from the athletic heads of Penn State. It’s evident in today’s players press conference.

Still, it was the words of the current Penn State football players that really said it all today.

“We need you as much as you need us.”



That's the thing though. He isn't really a voice for anyone but himself. He may think he's a voice for someone, but I'd suggest no one needs him to be their voice. Especially when he takes breaks to slip in some pedophilia jokes. Hey, it's what they do. If you don't like it, don't listen. I get it. But don't give me some crap about this clown being a voice for anyone or anything other than his own semi-comedic sports show.

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[quote="Woodridge Ryan"]Vincent,
I am not blindly following Bernsie as that would be such an easy thing for you to day considering you don't fucking know me at all. I couldn't give a fuck if Bernsie wrote me back and said fuck off.

You take the time to send him an email in which you thank him for being the voice of the victims and you say you do not give a fuck what he thinks. Right.
Hate to see what you would do if you did give a fuck what he thought. :shock:

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Vincent,
I am not blindly following Bernsie as that would be such an easy thing for you to day considering you don't fucking know me at all. I couldn't give a fuck if Bernsie wrote me back and said fuck off.

You take the time to send him an email in which you thank him for being the voice of the victims and you say you do not give a fuck what he thinks. Right.
Hate to see what you would do if you did give a fuck what he thought. :shock:

He would've signed off with xxxxoooo. Huge difference.

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