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I feel ok being on the same side of a baseball argument as JORR. Even if RFDC is on that same side.


I hate you....

Yeah but that's only because you've heard my opinions and know a little bit about me.

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Whoops. Forgot to log in as RFDC for that last one...

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Nice to see FF on the right side of a discussion for once. :D

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Nice to see FF on the right side of a discussion for once. :D

All of you will be embarrassed when Fitzpatrick wins MVP this year, despite McDaniels coordinating a 42 ppg attack in New England.

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Nice to see FF on the right side of a discussion for once. :D

All of you will be embarrassed when Fitzpatrick wins MVP this year, despite McDaniels coordinating a 42 ppg attack in New England.


:lol: You still on that guys bandwagon. I figured you would select a new bum to crush on this year.

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No way. I'm not a hit it and quit it kinda guy. Fitzpatrick was hurt last year in the games he wasn't awesome in. Mario is gonna be the Reggie to Fitz's Favre next season.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:38 pm 
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Sale out with "dead arm".

As I said, great trade. I guess some of you smart guys should have waited before responding about this trade.

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White Sox starting pitcher Chris Sale currently has no next scheduled start. After the White Sox acquired Francisco Liriano in a trade with the Twins, they have been left with six starters. And while it wouldn't be accurate to say Sale is the odd man out, he's going to be the one sitting out for the time being, due to a tired arm.

"Going through a little dead-arm period I guess," said Sale (chicagotribune.com). "Nothing terrible, nothing anyone else doesn't go through. We all feel this is something that's going to benefit us and benefit myself -- a few extra days off so the next couple months we can make a push and get after it."

Sale was previously scheduled to pitch Wednesday, but Jake Peavy has been moved back to Wednesday with Liriano being slotted into the rotation Tuesday. The White Sox haven't given any indication on when Sale might pitch again, though he's not being placed on the disabled list. Keeping that in mind, it seems doubtful he'll miss more than one or maybe two turns.

It isn't overly surprising that Sale's arm is fatigued. The 23-year-old lefty only threw 71 innings last season as a reliever. This is his first professional season as a starting pitcher and he's up to 124 innings pitched. His velocity has dipped of late, too.

Sale made his first All-Star team this season and is 12-3 with a 2.61 ERA, 1.02 WHIP and 114 strikeouts


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great trade. #5 starter for nothing.

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Mr. Belvidere wrote:
Sale out with "dead arm".

As I said, great trade. I guess some of you smart guys should have waited before responding about this trade.

Nope. Glad I responded the way I did and heres why....
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great trade. #5 starter for nothing.

That's why it's not a significant trade either way. We traded nothing and most likely got nothing.

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Liriano vs Axelrod.
no brainer
great trade
QED

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Liriano vs Axelrod.
no brainer
great trade
QED


He doesn't need to be a super duper excellent #1 or anything, he just needs to be somewhat better than the crap the Sox would have had to call up from Hades.


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Liriano vs Axelrod.
no brainer
great trade
QED


He doesn't need to be a super duper excellent #1 or anything, he just needs to be somewhat better than the crap the Sox would have had to call up from Hades.

Agreed. Based on the last 18 months that's a long shot though. Which is our only point.

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I don't think anyone here said it was a bad trade.

It was an ok trade with the possibility of being a steal if Liriano gets right.

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I don't think anyone here said it was a bad trade.

It was an ok trade with the possibility of being a steal if Liriano gets right.


But if he gets lit up a few times, it was pointless. There's no guarantee that he's better than Axelrod would have been. This was a pretty insignificant move. It's not like they added a shutdown starter. They added a guy who has struggled all year. It's just the fan's nature to think the guy you don't have is better than the guy you do.

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An ok trade with potential for not being bad.

That's a GM that I want!

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An ok trade with potential for not being bad.

That's a GM that I want!

Getting a 3B who's hitting above .300 in what, 20+ games, for nothing isn't bad either. I don't like the trade either but if you're gonna talk shit at least acknowledge that Kenny improved this team this summer. That's pretty much undeniable.

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An ok trade with potential for not being bad.

That's a GM that I want!

Getting a 3B who's hitting above .300 in what, 20+ games, for nothing isn't bad either. I don't like the trade either but if you're gonna talk shit at least acknowledge that Kenny improved this team this summer. That's pretty much undeniable.

Oh yeah. Fer sher. That 20 games is a real great sample size. Good stuff!

Seiously though, Kenny... I mean, what a guy!

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Darkside wrote:
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An ok trade with potential for not being bad.

That's a GM that I want!

Getting a 3B who's hitting above .300 in what, 20+ games, for nothing isn't bad either. I don't like the trade either but if you're gonna talk shit at least acknowledge that Kenny improved this team this summer. That's pretty much undeniable.

Oh yeah. Fer sher. That 20 games is a real great sample size. Good stuff!

Seiously though, Kenny... I mean, what a guy!

True. The Youl trade might end up poorly. But the evidence strongly suggests it won't. Hed have to be abysmal in August/September.

But my point was made. You can't talk shit about Kennt for a move that has no downside without acknowledging his accomplishments. Unless you are a Cub fan of course. Then hating White Sox is in your DNA so it's understandable. :wink:

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As long as he's competent, I'm happy with this move. I don't think the expectation is that he pitches an elite level, it's more to provide innings to get through the month of August and allow Sale (specifically), Peavy and Quintana an extra day (or days) of rest by giving the White Sox 5 starters (or 6). The offense needs to have a strong month if Sale gets a rest, and/or the White Sox use a 6 man rotation or strategically put Humber into the rotation for specific starts. The point is, right now, the White Sox have a solid 5 man rotation without Sale as long as Liriano/Floyd can give them a quality start.


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As long as he's competent, I'm happy with this move. I don't think the expectation is that he pitches an elite level, it's more to provide innings to get through the month of August and allow Sale (specifically), Peavy and Quintana an extra day (or days) of rest by giving the White Sox 5 starters (or 6). The offense needs to have a strong month if Sale gets a rest, and/or the White Sox use a 6 man rotation or strategically put Humber into the rotation for specific starts. The point is, right now, the White Sox have a solid 5 man rotation without Sale as long as Liriano/Floyd can give them a quality start.


I pretty much agree with this, but I think people should stop acting as if Liriano and Floyd are equivalents. Floyd hasn't had a good year so far, but he's still allowing more than a run less per game than Liriano. Floyd has replaced Vazquez as the Sox fan whipping boy. And really, all either of these guys was/is guilty of is that they weren't/aren't as good as their awesome "stuff" suggests they should be. Liriano is closer to a guy like Prior, who came out of the box looking like he was unbeatable and then got hurt and was never the same.

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Good move...nice pickup by kenny...this team will the their division with the yuke/liriano moves.

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Decent move.

Can only imagine how ridiculed Cub fans would be if they were praising their GM for trading for a 3-10 pitcher



Don Cooper also gets the Kenny treatment. Only talk about the good stuff.

Remember when everyone was prasing him for Humber?


What about Danks and Floyd? Why doesnt he fix them?

How bout Javy Vazquez or Edwin Jackson?


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Cooper gets too much credit from some, but you can't blame him for guys being hurt. Jackson was pretty good before he got traded. Vazquez was Vasquez.

This year's pitching staff has been assembled with baling twine and been pretty good. Can't criticize Cooper for that.

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Don Cooper is the very best pitching coach in the known universe. .. however, nobody bats 1,000.

Even HE wouldnt agree with that.

Dave Duncan is certainly better....by a large margin


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Decent move.

Can only imagine how ridiculed Cub fans would be if they were praising their GM for trading for a 3-10 pitcher



Don Cooper also gets the Kenny treatment. Only talk about the good stuff.

Remember when everyone was prasing him for Humber?


What about Danks and Floyd? Why doesnt he fix them?

How bout Javy Vazquez or Edwin Jackson?


Jackson pitched the best baseball of his career in Chicago. Humber went from a career minor leaguer to a legitimate starting pitcher in the MLB. That is a pretty good reclamation project.

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Decent move.

Can only imagine how ridiculed Cub fans would be if they were praising their GM for trading for a 3-10 pitcher



Don Cooper also gets the Kenny treatment. Only talk about the good stuff.

Remember when everyone was prasing him for Humber?


What about Danks and Floyd? Why doesnt he fix them?

How bout Javy Vazquez or Edwin Jackson?


Jackson pitched the best baseball of his career in Chicago. Humber went from a career minor leaguer to a legitimate starting pitcher in the MLB. That is a pretty good reclamation project.

2009 with the Tigers was better for Jackson.

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Humber is bad



How many number five guys are better than Humber?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Decent move.

Can only imagine how ridiculed Cub fans would be if they were praising their GM for trading for a 3-10 pitcher



Don Cooper also gets the Kenny treatment. Only talk about the good stuff.

Remember when everyone was prasing him for Humber?


What about Danks and Floyd? Why doesnt he fix them?

How bout Javy Vazquez or Edwin Jackson?


Jackson pitched the best baseball of his career in Chicago. Humber went from a career minor leaguer to a legitimate starting pitcher in the MLB. That is a pretty good reclamation project.

2009 with the Tigers was better for Jackson.

Humber is bad


That really isn't the issue. He transformed from an old minor leaguer to a legit major leaguer. That is a good jump.

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Humber is bad



How many number five guys are better than Humber?

He's the same guy he's always been.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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How many number five guys are better than Humber?

He's the same guy he's always been.


That's not true. He was never a starter, much less in the AL. You act like he has been some run of the mill pitcher for the Sox. He had a really good first half last year and a perfect game this year. He's done some things with this team.

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