You guys are retarded if you don't see a difference. Do you really think an NFL organization would conspire to cover up, from the top of the organization on down, the rape of children to protect its image? Do you really think that if a head coach, GM and team president of an NFL franchise learned that an assistant coach used their facilities and brand to rape children they would protect the coach and keep it hidden from authorities? Do you really see that happening in the NFL? Do you not see how that did/could happen in a major college football environment where the coaches are kings? Do you not see the difference in the culture? (and no, don tiny, I don't use that word just because Danny does).

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You can't imagine an NFL owner protecting the value of his asset? I can see all that playing out, because it happens in all sorts of organizations all over the world.

And you still didn't explain the difference. You just asked some rhetorical questions. What are the differences in culture?

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I hate all of you.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
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Yes, NFL owners protect their assets all the time...to the extent of covering up child rape, no. It simply wouldn't happen. It couldn't happen to the level that it did at Penn State. If you seriously don't understand a difference I can't help you.

College fans in a place like Happy Valley have some type of worship of the program that simply doesn't exist in an NFL fan base. I am not going to sit here and play some stupid game of semantics with you. If you don't recognize that there is a difference in fan base, then, oh well. Enjoy your college sports and let that culture continue to grow.

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How could I have been so blind?

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Weren't Packers fans rallying around Chmura during his "troubles"?

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I can't believe that it would happen anywhere.

But, given a hypothetical situation, I would guess that the most likely place for it to happen would be in the professional ranks where the people in charge have a vested financial interest rather than in some University setting where the people in charge are just some hired personnel.

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I wouldn't use the word rallying, there are still a lot of people here that wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

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Why not? Because you say so?

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The Bulls haven't done anything wrong, and they're not going to do anything wrong.

Not the organization. He's a Packer Hall of Famer.

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I was talking fans. All organizations have jack wagons, and some people still love them.

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Every fan who calls into the Packers postgame loves statutory rape.

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I can believe an assistant coach at the college or professional level would struggle to get another job if they turned in a fellow coach for raping a child. Kind of like the Baylor assistant who never found work after exposing Bliss trying to cover up a murder.

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Carpet bomb Wisconsin! Finally a cause we can all support!!

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We will likely never see this type of thing happen again in any of our lifetimes just like it didn't happen for the first 100+ years of college football. Keep in mind that NFL teams have shown a willingness to cover up things to protect themselves. Now, it wasn't child rape, but in reality it's not like this is a decision faced by many. Spygate and bountygate were both coverups and in regards to the Saints the perpetrators went as far as to try and silence anyone who would have spoken up about it.

I don't think that college football has a culture that covers up child rape. Now, it happened at one university but I don't think we want to hold that against everyone just like I'm not holding the whole NFL, or even the Steelers, responsible as people that allegedly are rapists or that the Eagles love fighting and killing dogs.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

We should agree that football by its very nature harbors a lot of sick fucks, from professional down to youth.

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For the next month, Bears fans are going to be going in droves to watch practice and radio stations are going to be operating out of trailers in order to score interviews with backup safeties. Guys in full costume will be at meaningless preseason games. People will root for the Chicago Bears because they are from Chicago and they grew up in Chicago. People will look past the DUI's, domestic abuse, drug charges, and other run ins with the law of these players simply because they are wearing a certain logo and they'll willing watch as the Bears attempt to beat other criminals. We have multiple people in power at an NFL team that are suspended for significant time and the Saints fans are sticking behind them and government officials and the community are still supporting them.

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You are a hypocrite if you think that college sports have a dangerous culture but there is nothing wrong with the culture of pro sports. It probably makes you feel better to say "Oh, that's just a college thing" and then you can continue to cheer on Brandon Marshall and you can refuse to think about the fact that he's likely to get in some sort of legal trouble again fairly soon. If there is a "culture" problem here, it's with all popular sports. Blaming college only is a way to make yourself feel better.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Even people on the far end of the college---pro continuum of fandom would agree that sports culture in North America is an ever-growing monster that has to be held in check. The only thing going for pro sports leagues is that for the most part, they don't claim to be more than the engines of commerce that they are, whereas the NCAA's high-minded bullshit (as far as football and men's hoops go, which is all people really mean they decry the NCAA) invites scrutiny and well-placed allegations of rank hypocrisy. Between Notre Dame sending a kid out to die, the explosion of interest in the "should we pay players" issue thanks to that piece in The Atlantic and the Costas special, and this Penn State thing that some people are talking about a little bit, it's been a really bad year for people who still desperately cling to The Student-Athlete.

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Agreed, though I do think that there is some truth to the "student athlete" stuff given how much money that is wasted providing scholarships to people that don't really matter like the swimming and soccer teams.

I think if you analyzed a college sports teams balance sheet you'd be surprised at just how much money they waste on things that no one ever sees. They do it on the backs of football and men's basketball but you don't think that someone who swims for Northwestern isn't a "student-athlete"?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Enjoy.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_ur ... Ed4Q&gl=US

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Unless they need money from the government to built a new billion dollar omnifacility. Then hoo boy are you going to hear about all the things your NFL franchise can do for you.

I think when people talk about how different the college culture is, they really mean something close to college is turning too much like the pros, which is a bad thing. Well, OK, we can have that argument. But you can't then turn the culture thing around and say, as Franky T does, that something would never happen in the NFL that happens in college.

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I never said there is nothing wrong with the culture of pro sports. There are plenty of problems with pro sports. I just don't see this type of thing happening in pro sports, but can see how it happened in college with the protect the program at all costs mentality the, I think, permeates though out major college programs.

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The main difference between college and pro isn't in the mentality of the individuals for each. The difference lies in the college programs need for cash donations. College coaches have sales duties that pro coaches don't need to concern themselves with.

Deep pocketed boosters have much more contact with coaches and ADs as a result and, naturally, much more direct influence. Putting coaches in the middle between the money men and the fans can lead to a significant amount of power for the coach and the AD as well. That could breed a "cult..", ahem, an environment that insulates a core group of guys from the whole - a type of groupthink that could result in a mess like PSU.

However, I don't discount in any way that similar dynamics could occur at the professional level where, instead of a group of individuals, a man whose personal fortune is wrapped up in the value of a pro franchise would have tremendous incentive to make certain that devastatingly negative things aren't disclosed that could significantly reduce the valuation.

I really don't see much of a difference in the end.

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While not criminal, see bountygate. They still are denying it and did everything they could to keep it quiet. I'm not comparing the two scandals but I'm pointing out that people in power will attempt to protect themselves no matter what we are talking about.

You are just using hindsight. I doubt in 2005 you were saying "I bet that a child molestation ring will happen because college sports has a protect the program at all costs mentality". Of course it could happen, just like at the time I didn't think that any NFL player would be running a dog fighting/killing ring. You really have no reason to believe that the NFL is immune from this. Now, it's not likely that it happens in the NFL because you hope people have the common decency to do something about it, but it also wasn't likely in college.

If you saw what happened at Penn State coming, then you are a smarter man than me.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No, I didn't "see it coming" but I sure as hell wasn't surprised when the truth of the extent of the cover up came out. Not to sound like Terry, but as soon as I heard of the arrest I said that others (including Paterno) knew what he had been doing.

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Hasn't the NFL been actively covering up the head injury issue, which has lead to the early death of at least 20 players we know of, in order to "protect the shield?"