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Post subject: Cliff Lee has been placed on waivers

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:59 am

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Will Kenny bite?

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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:

Will Kenny bite?

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Post subject: Re: Cliff Lee has been placed on waivers

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:04 am

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Someone will claim him before the Sox get a chance.

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Post subject: Re: Cliff Lee has been placed on waivers

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:06 am

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A7X wrote:

Someone will claim him before the Sox get a chance.

But isn't there a slight fear that the Phils may actually just let someone eat his contract?

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Post subject: Re: Cliff Lee has been placed on waivers

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:09 am

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2013 34 Philadelphia Phillies $25,000,000
2014 35 Philadelphia Phillies $25,000,000
2015 36 Philadelphia Phillies $25,000,000
2016 37 Philadelphia Phillies *$27,500,000 $27.5M Vesting Option, $12.5M Buyout option becomes guaranteed with 200 IP in 2015 or 400 IP in 2014-15

That is one hell of a contract left on him.

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Post subject: Re: Cliff Lee has been placed on waivers

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:09 am

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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:

A7X wrote:

Someone will claim him before the Sox get a chance.

But isn't there a slight fear that the Phils may actually just let someone eat his contract?

Sure.

He's owed a lot of paper. No way Mr. Reinsdorf lets Kenny take that on.

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Post subject: Re: Cliff Lee has been placed on waivers

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:11 am

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immessedup17 wrote:

Almost every player gets placed on waivers...

I am aware. The phillies fire sale and his huge contract make this one interesting.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:12 am

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immessedup17 wrote:

Almost every player gets placed on waivers...

This.

It's my second favorite part of the first week of August.

My favorite part is the general overt overreaction of multiple people (not accusing you, UMN) over who get's placed on waivers when the names leak.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:13 am

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NO WAY they will bite on that. Just getting over the burn of Rios/Peavy and now Danks.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:16 am

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Hatchetman wrote:

Just getting over the burn of Rios/Peavy

Except those look like good to great moves now.

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Post subject: Re: Cliff Lee has been placed on waivers

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:17 am

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Just getting over the burn of Rios/Peavy

Except those look like good to great moves now.

If you only count this season...

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Post subject: Re: Cliff Lee has been placed on waivers

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:20 am

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Ya, I doubt KW will want to get riosed in this situation. A team like the Dodgers who didn't score their starter and seemingly have money to burn could bite.

I realize nothing big and crazy usually happens with the waiver trades but this one intrigues me.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:21 am

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sjboyd0137 wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

Almost every player gets placed on waivers...

Just more typical Cubs fan trolling in the Sox section.

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Post subject: Re: Cliff Lee has been placed on waivers

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:23 am

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Just getting over the burn of Rios/Peavy

Except those look like good to great moves now.

If you only count this season...

That's probably true with Peavy but if Rios finishes out this year this well I think he has to be viewed as providing enough production to justify what they pay him.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:23 am

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The nut job Philllie fans would burn that town down if they let Lee go for nothing.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:24 am

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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:

Will Kenny bite?

No.

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Post subject: Re: Cliff Lee has been placed on waivers

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:27 am

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Just getting over the burn of Rios/Peavy

Except those look like good to great moves now.

If you only count this season...

That's probably true with Peavy but if Rios finishes out this year this well I think he has to be viewed as providing enough production to justify what they pay him.

Possibly, althoughtI think his lows were too low to call it a good move

Satisfactory. Adequate.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:30 am

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Possibly, althoughtI think his lows were too low to call it a good move

Satisfactory. Adequate.

It depends a lot on what happens this year. If Rios ends up being a driving force behind a team that makes the playoffs and does well I think it makes up for his poor production on teams that weren't going anywhere.

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He also has a lot of teams he's able to veto a trade to. Like 15 or something like that.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:33 am

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I'm pretty sure he can't veto a waiver claim. Can we check on thaaaaaaaaaat.

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Northside_Dan wrote:

He also has a lot of teams he's able to veto a trade to. Like 15 or something like that.

Does that come into play if the Phillies just let the claim go through?

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:34 am

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Keyser Soze wrote:

I'm pretty sure he can't veto a waiver claim. Can we check on thaaaaaaaaaat.

I don't think so. Just meant if he's claimed and a trade is discussed. Just adding to the extreme unlikelihood he's moved.

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Northside_Dan wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

I'm pretty sure he can't veto a waiver claim. Can we check on thaaaaaaaaaat.

I don't think so. Just meant if he's claimed and a trade is discussed. Just adding to the extreme unlikelihood he's moved.

I know. I really didn't know if it had an effect.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:36 am

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Possibly, althoughtI think his lows were too low to call it a good move

Satisfactory. Adequate.

Yeah, when he wins MVP of the World Series there will be no question

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:37 am

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Northside_Dan wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

I'm pretty sure he can't veto a waiver claim. Can we check on thaaaaaaaaaat.

I don't think so. Just meant if he's claimed and a trade is discussed. Just adding to the extreme unlikelihood he's moved.

He can block a waiver claim. Huh.

A player with a no-trade clause who is claimed on Major League waivers must be pulled back if the player’s no-trade clause allows him to block a deal to the claiming club.

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Keyser Soze wrote:

Northside_Dan wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

I'm pretty sure he can't veto a waiver claim. Can we check on thaaaaaaaaaat.

I don't think so. Just meant if he's claimed and a trade is discussed. Just adding to the extreme unlikelihood he's moved.

Well, I learned something today.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:39 am

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Just getting over the burn of Rios/Peavy

Except those look like good to great moves now.

If you only count this season...

Bad in the first 1/4 season the acquired him, good to excellent in 2010, horrible in 2011, excellent in 2012. The Rios contract has not been a burn.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:40 am

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Keyser Soze wrote:

Northside_Dan wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

I'm pretty sure he can't veto a waiver claim. Can we check on thaaaaaaaaaat.

I don't think so. Just meant if he's claimed and a trade is discussed. Just adding to the extreme unlikelihood he's moved.

Interesting. I figured this had to be the case or it would be a nice loophole to evade the NTC.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:48 am

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Look at the cash outlay of Rios & Peavy over the years versus the payout. No way they paid off in terms of wins, playoff appearances, and cash into Jerry's account. Just when KW regains some trust, he's going to put his neck on the line again? I doubt it.

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:49 am

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good dolphin wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Just getting over the burn of Rios/Peavy

Except those look like good to great moves now.

If you only count this season...

Bad in the first 1/4 season the acquired him, good to excellent in 2010, horrible in 2011, excellent in 2012. The Rios contract has not been a burn.

Complete failure in 2 seasons (40 games in a pennant race counts) where they were counting on him

The money is not too bad. It looked worse when it was signed by the Jays, market caught up

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