I want someone to explain to me how human beings "evolve" in half a generation.

The only way the players could have become physically superior in such a short time would be with drugs. If that's the case, why not say it rather than trying to suggest that humans are born or raised to be physically better now than a generation ago.

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Jordan would suffer from the pro offense rules

Dude, the weights today are much weightier than they used to be.

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Oh man, you guys gotta follow the comments on FB.

He's making a great case....

The current 30-year old version of RedskinGreg could totally swamp the 10-year old version, twenty years ago. Seems pretty simple, right JORR?

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I'm sure he's taking heat for bringing Jordan into it. Jordan is such a sacred cow, especially in Chicago, that he is usually granted an exception for his outstanding play in the era of the slow, tiny, and white. He is the one guy that could still compete today and take down LeBron. Everyone else who played in the 90s NBA would be like a helpless baby vs. juggernauts like Carmelo Anthony and Andre Iguodala.

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He shows himself to be more of an ignorant jerkoff with each passing moment. I hope that someone at his school sees the terrible writing and he gets demoted to cafeteria worker.

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TFM By big I don't mean tall necessarily. LBJ, Kobe, Carmelo--big, bad, thick dudes.
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TFM Relative no one's bigger, badder. thicker than the mailman. Ewing, Barkley, DRob too. MJ and Pip no slouches size wize either. I think the intangible for 92 is stockton, the guy might be the most underrated PG in history.
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TFM But Malone doesn't have the speed, nor any of those guys you named. Stockton, too, wouldn't get away with his dirty stuff today with the new defensive rules. Dude used to mug opponents.

Who's stopping the '92 big men in the low post?

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This is how listening to danny bernstein makes you dumber. I highly doubt there is anyone on the current team stronger than the fully juiced Scottie Pippen.

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Tyson Chandler is a very underestimated defender, and Anthony Davis has a chance to be something damn special. Also, this team is way too fast for the Dream Team. They'd outscore them just because of fast breaks. The game is different today--much bigger and faster, just like the NFL.

@Tspeeps:

@ten_foot_midget Lithuania. Debate over.

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But by bigger, you don't really mean bigger. Is that right?

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No one. Dont bring it up, that doesnt fit the narrative of everything that exists NOW being better than anything that came before it.

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Mailman had the good roids, before they started testing for that shit.

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Patrick Ewing was a highly regarded defender and David Robinson was something damn special.

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TFM wrote that, not me

Just clarifying

Im thinking David Robinson and Patrick Ewing might be able to deal with guys smaller and skinnier and less skilled than them

There seems to be some strange desire among the Millennial generation for each team, each player, each event to be "the best ever". It's like their anthem: "Tonight's gonna be a good night." Guess what, it probably isn't.

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You should help write the Sox motto every year.

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Funny thing, growing up in the 80s, we (at least my buddies and I) never thought the players of the day were the BEST EVER. We used to look at the stats of the old-timers and thought they were some kind of supermen. Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Wilt Chamberlain, Gale Sayers, and so on. I dunno. Maybe it was just me.

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The thing here is that Lebron is allowed to do things that he wouldn't have been asked or allowed to do if he was playing in that era. Lebron would likely be a Karl Malone type player who was relegated to the post. With the infusion of European talent that started in the late 90s it became much more acceptable for big men to play like Lebron and Durant do. Conversely, David Robinson and Patrick Ewing likely would be shooting 3 pointers if they played today.

We can say that Lebron and Durant would totally dominate but there was no player that played like them effectively back then. It's not like the 7 footers of the era said "Well, I could go for 30 points a game and shut down MJ but I think I'll defer to Kevin Johnson".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The thing is, you know who the greats are. Whether you like them or not. The guys you mentioned are remembered now and will be fifty years from now. LeBron James will be remembered fifty years from now. Kobe will be remembered fifty years from now. Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony will not. It isn't hard to see greatness.

But this idea that people who played fifty or even 100 years ago were tiny and ran as if their shoes were tied together is absurd. If you could bring a twenty year old Jim Thorpe here in a time machine and put him in a pair of Nikes, li'l danny bernstein would shit his pants at how fast and strong the guy was. And if you put him on a juicing program, he'd probably take a good shot at Usain Bolt.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Everything about my generation sucks. A bunch of entitled, lazy assbags. We arent as bad as the Boomers but it is pretty fucking close. I hope my son's generation is better.

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Right. That's why I think these cross-generational debates are just stupid. It is impossible to "settle" the argument because time travel doesn't exist. Of course athletes are better conditioned now - that's just the evolution of science. You have to give the prior players that same advantage in order to truly know who is better and since that is impossible, the argument is just stupid.

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Tyson would beat Ali, though

Nope.

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One punch and lights out

Would he land that punch? Probably

I dont know but I would love to watch that fight.

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I've had this discussion in varied levels of sobriety for the last 20 years. IMO, Joe Fraizer was the "Tyson" of his era. George Foreman put Frazier down 6 times in 2 rounds. Ali knocked out Foreman. Therefore, Ali would beat Tyson the way he beat George. Rope-a-dope.

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Tyson proved himself against tougher competition... Holyfield, Michael Spinks, Buster Douglas....

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