Are you considering the evidience that the Sox #3 hitter leads the team in HR, RBI and walks, is 2nd in Runs (to the leadoff man), and is 3rd in both OPS and OBP? That is EXACTLY what you want out of your 3 hitter.


Over his last 30 games, he has a .195 avg (which is only 15 points below his overall avg), leads the team in HRs and walks, is 3rd in both RBI and runs. Pretty much right on par with his overall season
Since the AS break, he leads the Sox in HRs, RBI, runs, and is 2nd in walks and OPS.

As this thread goes on, you are making yourself look more and more foolish. Maybe you should just bow out now before Dunn wins the Comeback Player of the Year and/or the HR crown for the AL.

spanky has been quiet in this thread since I posted those numbers...

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Would like to point out that Adam Dunn and Alfonso Soriano have near-identical OPS and oWAR now. Soriano seems to be projected to surpass Dunn in both categories by week's end.

Soriano would have BETTER stats in the White Sox lineup. This is a given

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Soriano would have BETTER stats in the White Sox lineup. This is a given...in that ballpark with those hitters surrounding you.

How is it guesswork?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting

I don't know enough to calculate that. Feel free to do so and let me know.

The Cubs have scored 77% the amount of runs the White Sox have.

Now, this isn't an exact science, but a decent reference point when editing some stats.

Let's put Soriano's runs at 55 and his RBI at 89.

Regarding hits...I'd say he might have hit 2 more home runs based on the Cell as a home ball park that died on the track in a blustery April in Wrigley (maybe more, but this is a conservative number). Let us add one double for good measure, something off the wall in left by the bullpen.

This would give him 106 hits (and we won't factor in the extra ~5 at-bats he would have extra over the course of the season, the White Sox average 1 more AB per game - again, I'll be conservative [read: generous]).

These 106 hits would raise his average to .270. OBP to .323. SLG to .510.

His OPS would raise to .833.

With those very conservative estimates, it would put him over the top. I also didn't factor in less strikeout's = higher chance of sac flies and such....we'll just say that was worked in with the percentage increase in RBI's based on offensive power of team.

All of the numbers above were not reached with any scientific method, but rather is just logical guesswork based on realistic thought processes.

OPS+ removes the impact of baseball parks. They are currently tied at 114, FWIW. Runs and RBI can't be proved but just intuitively speaking Soriano's RBI likely would be higher due to his higher hits/contact rate while runs scored would be lower as his OBP is lower. But I don't think either RBI/runs are "good" stats to begin with.

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There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

OPS+ removes the impact of baseball parks.

There is nothing else to do here but guess. Stat analysis is not an exact science. But the guesses are educated guesses...and the thinking is sound on each of my points.

Not really, though it makes a half-hearted attempt at it. But OPS+ from different leagues are completely unrelated anyway. I bet one of those tee-ball kids on big fan's team had an OPS+ of 300.

OPS+ is OPS adjusted for the park and the league in which the player played, but not for fielding position.

I understand you think I'm wrong, even after I explain how I came by the numbers. I wouldn't expect anything different - there is no science behind anything I came up with. I just think the thought process behind those numbers is logical...and probable.

As for factoring the impact of parks I understand your point as wild swings could occur (Yankee stadium). OPS+ isn't perfect but it's better than guessing.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Dunn's average is getting real close to .200.

It has been said repeatedly here that his average does not matter.

So if he drops to .200 or .190 or .175 does it matter?

Or does his HRs, etc trump that no matter how low it drops?

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Dunn's average is getting real close to .200.

It has been said repeatedly here that his average does not matter.

So if he drops to .200 or .190 or .175 does it matter?

Or does his HRs, etc trump that no matter how low it drops?

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There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.