It is currently Sat Nov 30, 2024 12:16 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 24 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Quote:
Adam 'Ademo' Mueller, Journalist And CopBlock.org Founder, Faces 21 Years In Jail After Reporting School Police Brutality

Adam "Ademo" Mueller, a journalist and co-host of radio show Free Talk Live, is facing 21 years in prison for reporting on police brutality toward students at a Manchester, N.H. high school.

Mueller, also founder of CopBlock.org, has been charged with three felony counts of wiretapping, each of which carries a 7-year maximum penalty. CopBlock.org is an online project that, according to its site, seeks police accountability and "curtail the all-too-common rights-violations and unaccountability that today exists."

Last October, video surfaced on CopBlock.org of 17-year-old Frank W. Harrington being lifted from his seat in the school cafeteria by a school police officer and slammed face-first into a table.

At the time, Harrington took his sister's purse and said he was "just messing around." Although the West High School teen said his sister was largely unconcerned, school officials involved school resource officer Darren Murphy, who lifted Harrington off his seat, spun him around, forced him onto the table and arrested him.

Harrington was suspended for 12 days and charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

Michael Proulx, the 17-year-old junior at the school who recorded the incident, was also told by a school official that it's "illegal to film," and ordered to delete anything he had recorded. Proulx lied, saying he had only taken photos, and pretended to erase them.

In response, Mueller took to CopBlock.org to defend both Proulx and Harrington, noting in a report that "Murphy provides the misguided administrator an exact example why filming police is important -- oh, and it's not illegal at all." He also called the Manchester police department and the school seeking comment.

But he chose to record the conversations he had with a Manchester police captain, the Manchester High School West principal and a school secretary, and then included soundbites in a video post. The wiretapping indictments came a few months later, and he is accused of recording the conversations without the other parties' consent.

Mueller has been offered a plea deal of a two-year suspended sentence, which he is refusing.

"Here's how I see the offer: it's a stellar deal if I actually thought what I had done was wrong," Mueller wrote in a post on CopBlock.org. "First, I can't go against my principles and sign a deal that says I acknowledge my actions as wrong or illegal. Second, I'm not a hypocrite. How can I advocate refusing plea deals and sign one myself? I don't judge anyone who has taken pleas because each case/charge is different. Third, I am confident I can show a jury, with facts and logic, that I shouldn't be caged for my actions.... Let the circus begin!"

A "Free Ademo" campaign has already launched to support Mueller, including attending Monday's jury selection at the local courthouse. New Hampshire recently passed a jury nullification law that permits defense attorneys to inform jurors of their right to vote on conscience and void bad laws through "not guilty" verdicts.

"A public official who is on duty and in a public space has no expectation of privacy. The First Circuit Court of Appeals has already ruled on this in Glik vs. Cunniff," Ian Freeman, co-host of the nationally syndicated radio show Free Talk Live, said in a CNN iReport. "The person who should face consequences is the officer who threw that poor kid into a table during lunch at the school cafeteria, not the journalist who reported about it."


Facing 21 years and they offer him a two year suspended sentence plea deal. They know he's right and they are wrong. But they won't admit it because they are heavily invested in the notion that cops are above the law.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:16 am
Posts: 20082
pizza_Place: Aurelios
I would understand police not wanting people to be taping them and recording them. That leads to idiots provoking them into doing/saying something stupid and only recording the reaction and leaving out the build up that caused it.

That being said, I can't really see why/how it is illegal when we have so many cases of abuse of power and the ease of recording things in this day and age.

_________________
drinky wrote:
If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:38 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79594
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I would understand police not wanting people to be taping them and recording them. That leads to idiots provoking them into doing/saying something stupid and only recording the reaction and leaving out the build up that caused it.



Look what you made me do!

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:09 am
Posts: 19925
pizza_Place: Papa Johns
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I would understand police not wanting people to be taping them and recording them. That leads to idiots provoking them into doing/saying something stupid and only recording the reaction and leaving out the build up that caused it.



Look what you made me do!




Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:16 am
Posts: 20082
pizza_Place: Aurelios
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I would understand police not wanting people to be taping them and recording them. That leads to idiots provoking them into doing/saying something stupid and only recording the reaction and leaving out the build up that caused it.



Look what you made me do!


You dont think people do that to cops? They shouldnt abuse their power but I also dont take the default stance that they were 100% to blame. Each case is different.

_________________
drinky wrote:
If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:18 pm
Posts: 19488
pizza_Place: Phils' on 35th all you need to know
Interesting case.
Couple of things. Kid recorded and then lied about it. Got to remember in school you basically have zero rights. I am surprised he is not suspended or such.
Look at the facts. Kid took a purse. Cop was told to arrest him. Cop did his job.
Now the reporter is a little bit different. If N.H. is like here in Illinois and he did not let them know they where being recorded he is in trouble. Why do you think when you are on a customer service call or anything business related on a phone they give you the disclaimer about the possibility of being recorded.

_________________
When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I would understand police not wanting people to be taping them and recording them. That leads to idiots provoking them into doing/saying something stupid and only recording the reaction and leaving out the build up that caused it.

But, isnt that what Cops do to citizens?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43583
Why don't the cops just have those mini cameras attached to them so everything they see, hear, and do when they are out on patrol is recorded? They already have cameras on the dashboard of the cop cars, why not just extend it further? The technology is available to do that. It should also cut down on lawsuits when people claimed they are abused.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am
Posts: 817
pizza_Place: Giordano's
SomeGuy wrote:

Image


That's why tapes prevent people from seeing stuff like this. The cops were clearly provoked that the guy that fell out of the car. There was nothing else for them to do other than beat the shit out of a likely unconscious criminal.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
Makaveli wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:

Image


That's why tapes prevent people from seeing stuff like this. The cops were clearly provoked that the guy that fell out of the car. There was nothing else for them to do other than beat the shit out of a likely unconscious criminal.

That guy is lucky Zimmerman wasnt there. He would have killed him in self defense.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92125
Location: To the left of my post
FavreFan wrote:
But he chose to record the conversations he had with a Manchester police captain, the Manchester High School West principal and a school secretary, and then included soundbites in a video post. The wiretapping indictments came a few months later, and he is accused of recording the conversations without the other parties' consent.
You know how people say that we can't give up the right to free speech even when we don't like it like the Westboro people?

Well, it is illegal to record conversations without notifying the person(without a warrant). Isn't this the same thing? For various reasons, people have the right to not be recorded like this.

It sounds like they tried to give him a way out because clearly those laws weren't designed to stop things like this.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am
Posts: 817
pizza_Place: Giordano's
rogers park bryan wrote:
Makaveli wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:

Image


That's why tapes prevent people from seeing stuff like this. The cops were clearly provoked that the guy that fell out of the car. There was nothing else for them to do other than beat the shit out of a likely unconscious criminal.

That guy is lucky Zimmerman wasnt there. He would have killed him in self defense.


One cop did slip. Who knows what the unconscious guy could have done to him on the ground. I'm disappointed in the pussy officer that didn't hit the guy to protect himself and his fellow officers.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:34 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:09 am
Posts: 19925
pizza_Place: Papa Johns
Makaveli wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Makaveli wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:

Image


That's why tapes prevent people from seeing stuff like this. The cops were clearly provoked that the guy that fell out of the car. There was nothing else for them to do other than beat the shit out of a likely unconscious criminal.

That guy is lucky Zimmerman wasnt there. He would have killed him in self defense.


One cop did slip. Who knows what the unconscious guy could have done to him on the ground. I'm disappointed in the pussy officer that didn't hit the guy to protect himself and his fellow officers.


I know, right?! Those brave officers showed restraint is what I see...no mace, no taser? Good for them.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
But he chose to record the conversations he had with a Manchester police captain, the Manchester High School West principal and a school secretary, and then included soundbites in a video post. The wiretapping indictments came a few months later, and he is accused of recording the conversations without the other parties' consent.
You know how people say that we can't give up the right to free speech even when we don't like it like the Westboro people?

Well, it is illegal to record conversations without notifying the person(without a warrant). Isn't this the same thing? For various reasons, people have the right to not be recorded like this.

It sounds like they tried to give him a way out because clearly those laws weren't designed to stop things like this.

Not the same thing. They were public officials on duty in a public space. Not private citizens. The DA is trying to give him a way out of this because it's already been ruled that what you are talking about is not the same thing. That's near the bottom of the article I posted.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92125
Location: To the left of my post
FavreFan wrote:
Not the same thing. They were public officials on duty in a public space. Not private citizens. The DA is trying to give him a way out of this because it's already been ruled that what you are talking about is not the same thing. That's near the bottom of the article I posted.
Glik vs. Cunniff is not about telephone taping from what I understand. It was about taping with audio the actual incident.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:16 am
Posts: 20082
pizza_Place: Aurelios
Douchebag wrote:
Why don't the cops just have those mini cameras attached to them so everything they see, hear, and do when they are out on patrol is recorded? They already have cameras on the dashboard of the cop cars, why not just extend it further? The technology is available to do that. It should also cut down on lawsuits when people claimed they are abused.


This would make too much sense.

_________________
drinky wrote:
If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:46 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79594
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I would understand police not wanting people to be taping them and recording them. That leads to idiots provoking them into doing/saying something stupid and only recording the reaction and leaving out the build up that caused it.



Look what you made me do!


You dont think people do that to cops? They shouldnt abuse their power but I also dont take the default stance that they were 100% to blame. Each case is different.



I think the instances of cops doing it to people are far greater in number. For example, I don't think saying about 20 percent of the NATO "protesters" were cops attempting to whip up young knuckleheads into doing something stupid is overstating things.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter what civilian idiots do. When police act, they're representing you and me. It's why prosecutorial misconduct is more egregious than a private defense attorney doing some snaky shit.

Don't you find it disingenuous that cops and prosecutors love cameras when they show "bad guys" doing some shit, but when cops are caught on film, suddenly what you see may be deceiving?

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Guilty on all three counts. Guess you have to be a government official to be above the illegal wiretapping laws.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92125
Location: To the left of my post
FavreFan wrote:
Guilty on all three counts. Guess you have to be a government official to be above the illegal wiretapping laws.
Looks like he'll spend 3 months in jail, and likely be famous because of it.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
Douchebag wrote:
Why don't the cops just have those mini cameras attached to them so everything they see, hear, and do when they are out on patrol is recorded? They already have cameras on the dashboard of the cop cars, why not just extend it further? The technology is available to do that. It should also cut down on lawsuits when people claimed they are abused.



You couldn't pay the FOP enough for them to okay that, never mind the rank & file.

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Guilty on all three counts. Guess you have to be a government official to be above the illegal wiretapping laws.
Looks like he'll spend 3 months in jail, and likely be famous because of it.

I doubt it. Unless there's other FTL listeners on the board I doubt anyone has heard of Adam Mueller before I posted this. He's just gonna go back to his journalism/activism work.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:23 pm
Posts: 16779
pizza_Place: Little Caesar's
Ademo's free? Shit, I just paid $12 last week for some Ademo!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92125
Location: To the left of my post
FavreFan wrote:
I doubt it. Unless there's other FTL listeners on the board I doubt anyone has heard of Adam Mueller before I posted this. He's just gonna go back to his journalism/activism work.
This will become a bigger story. The media loves stories like this because of obvious reasons.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Free Ademo
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I doubt it. Unless there's other FTL listeners on the board I doubt anyone has heard of Adam Mueller before I posted this. He's just gonna go back to his journalism/activism work.
This will become a bigger story. The media loves stories like this because of obvious reasons.

We clearly disagree. Although it should become a bigger story. We'll see.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 24 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group