I live outside of Chicago. Last night was the first game I could watch. It was embarrassing.

We are paying above market rate AND gave up two 1st round picks. You need top 5 quality to justify that. You are getting borderline top 10, and I'm being generous.

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Not at all. I love Cutler.

I'm sick of hearing Zaidman say this. It's his default on all things o-line related.

Did I dream the last three years up?

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I didn't watch the Denver game so no I didn't say anything.

Let me put it this way. If Cutler ever breaks a meaningful passing record, or wins a super bowl, I will put it in my signature for 2 years that he did it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'm just saying, no matter what happens, it's Cutler. Last night Cutler had a shit night, and now once again we need to trade him, dump him, etc. He's awful.

There's no profit in debating it anymore.

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The thing about the trade was this.

Because of the D the Bears weren't going to get a QB like Cutler in the draft. They were never going to finish bad enough. They were always going to win 5 or 6 games.

The BEars never trade up.

QBs aren't routinely traded. At least good ones.

They had to make a bold move. It was also nice to see a Chicago team take advantage of another teams collosal stupidity. Usually it's the other way around.

I wonder when BR and IB will start the Jason Campbell bandwagon.

John Kirk Rule.

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Then don't. I won't get mad if you just ignore it. Also, I don't think he should be traded or dumped.

The real discussion is whether you give Cutler an extension. At this point, I say no. You guys may not believe it, but that may change if Cutler proves that he was one Brandon Marshall of being a borderline top 5 QB instead of being outside the top 10.

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People who know football or don't hate Cutler are waiting to see this season play out. If he doesn't succeed with the weapons he has he isn't a good QB.

To do anything the last 2 years with 1 player on offense any other team would want shows he has potential.

Before this season the 2nd best WR on a Chicago roster played for the CUBS.

It's not only Marshall but JEffrey and Bush.

It's not only Marshall but JEffrey and Bush.

Let's play a game and we'll see who is closer to right.

Minimum 7 games played. Pick the number of players who will have a higher number than Cutler in these categories.
Touchdowns: 10
Yards: 13
Interceptions(players who throw more interceptions):5

We'll bump this thread after week 7 and after the season and then we can all laugh at how wrong my Cutler-hating brain was and how right cgs-brain was.

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Feel free to play Dewskie or anyone else that thinks that I just hate on Cutler.

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This is the stuff that drives me crazy in this town. The sheer amount of shit that is out of a quarterbacks hands that dictates success or failure has to play a role in how you judge someone. I think everyone is in agreement that the talent is elite - so then you look at the situation. If you think Cutler has been on a team where the situation is as good as the rest of the elite quarterbacks then you are a fucking moron.

Forget that pull everyone out of mediocrity BS. You have inherent and systematic stupidity at multiple levels on this team and it infects everything right down to fundamentals. Stopping on fucking routes!! How does that happen year after year? How does that happen with Earl Bennett who is a good route runner and you'd think would have a handle on this shit by now?

We've seen how Cutler acts when things are going right. There is an obvious, understandable difference in his body language, etc. Things that every QB exhibit, good or bad. The only reason it is a lightning rod in this town, aside from apparent stupidity of the fan base, is that it is amateur hour more times than it isn't. It is mindboggling levels of miscommunication and lack of fundamentals.

There is inexplicable shit that happens with this team, year after year. If you want to focus on Cutler then I would kindly ask that you stop thinking on it.

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He's not going to let you have his next baby.

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These debates always make me laugh. It's pretty clear by now that Cutler is good, and probably won't ever be great(top 5).

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I just wanted to add that Nick Roach was awful again at middle linebacker. He is terrible at eluding/shedding blocks and even worse at making tackles in one-on-one situations.

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The three best QB's in the league Brees,Brady and Rodgers none were top 5 picks..not even top 20 picks..the reason why the bears overpaid for Cutler is because they draft so poorly and can't develop talent.

Cutler is a top 10 QB..I don't think Eli or BigBen are better than him..they have better coaches and blocking..tightends and wideouts ...Cutler should have a big year this year..he now as legit weapons to throw to..still need a tight end though.

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He hasn't played enough yet to call him "elite" but did Cutler inherit a worse situation than Cam Newton? What about Drew Brees who joined a team that wasn't very good and all of a sudden they can plug in just about any receiver and things work? Colston was a low round draft pick. Jimmy Graham was a 3rd round draft pick.

Here is the problem with your thoughts here. Either Cutler is the only player with elite talent that is "unlucky" to not have talent around him or it's just not true. Every other elite or possibly elite QB in the league just goes out and does it no matter who you put out there. Tom Brady turned Wes Welker into a pro bowl player. Peyton Manning had Austin Collie putting up big numbers. Cam Newton was awesome last year with a team of bums *and Steve Smith*.

The excuses need to be over. All of them. No more blaming the offensive line. No more blaming the WR's. No more blaming the offensive coordinator. If Cutler is a top 5 QB, as you seemingly think, then he needs to show it for the first time in his career. I don't mean a play or two that makes a highlight reel. I'm talking about a season.

If what you say is true, and it's the Bears organization that is holding back a top 5 QB then the Bears should release him tomorrow and restart from scratch because clearly they won't ever get the elite level of play out of him.

Here is a little secret. It happens on every team. We just have a QB that makes it clear to anyone watching that it happened even in meaningless preseason games.
They are running out of people to fire. There are only a few people left before the only constant in all of this is Cutler.

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Eddie Royal nearly put up 1000 yards receiving in his only year with Cutler, he hasn't come close since. Johnny Knox put up nearly 1000 receiving, is Knox a special talent? Greg Olsen put up his best numbers with Cutler throwing to him.

Cam Newton was surrounded by bums? Jeremy Shockey and Greg Olsen were better recievers than anything Cutler had to work with last year. Williams and Stewart combined for over 1500 rushing yards and a better than 5.0 ypc, both are previous 1000 yard rushers and offensive lineman Ryan Kalil and Jordan Gross have both made the Pro Bowl in the last 2 years. If these guys are bums what does this make the Bear offensive unit?

Ben Roethlisberger threw a tantrum at the Steeler bench in yesterday's game, funny I thought Cutler only does this.

Eddie Royal lost his spot because others were better than him. Lloyd became one of the best WR's in the game so Royal got less touches. I don't understand why what Knox did is that impressive. Someone has to get the ball. The Bears WR core was terrible remember? Well, by the vary nature of the game someone is going to put up decent numbers.
Jeremey Shockey was barely in the league at that point and the Bears gave up on Greg Olsen. Don't talk about running backs because the Bears have some talent there too.

The Panthers were the worst team in the league the year before, and an offensive mess. Newton took that and put up record breaking numbers for a rookie. I have no idea if it will continue, but for at least a year Newton was elite for the Panthers.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Who said Cutler is the only one who does it?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You know that Jets fans say this same shit about Mark Sanchez, right?

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The Bulls haven't done anything wrong, and they're not going to do anything wrong.

You wrote "Here is a little secret. It happens on every team. We just have a QB that makes it clear to anyone watching that it happened even in meaningless preseason games."


Didn't Roethlisberger throw a tantrum in a meaningless preseason game?

Where did I say Cutler is the only one who does it?

You may want to pick a better person than Roethlisberger too. He's not exactly a shining example of good behavior.

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So Royal put up nearly 1000 yards, but others were better than him, so does not make what Cutler did even more impressive?

"Someone has to get the ball". Well if the Patriots are going to throw the ball nearly 40 times a game than someone has to catch the ball. Welker did have 67 receptions with Joey Harrington and Culpepper throwing him the ball in Miami. So its not like Welker was a complete surprise.

Shockey may have been barely in the league, but he still was a better receiver than what the Bears had. And Martz gave up on Olsen. Olsen is not great but again, are you saying he is not better than Kellen Davis and Matt Spaeth.

Netwon did have a great year last year but remember the year before in 2010 the QB's for the Panthers were Jimmy Claussen and Matt Moore. It would be hard not to improve the QB play. Plus Denangelo Williams missed half the year in 2010 and the Panthers went from Jeff King and Dante Rosario at TE to Shockey and Olsen.

And the Panthers went from 2 wins to 6 wins, not exactly a giant leap, especially when you consider in 2009 the Panthers won 8 games.

We are talking about on the field behavior and not off the field.

So what's your point? It's ok to embarrass and sell out your receivers as long as another good QB does it also?

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