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 Post subject: Fehring the Worst
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:13 pm 
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NHL is asking for

- players' share of revenue cut from 57% to 46%
- entry-level contracts to go from three years to five years
- team control of player rights to go from seven seasons/age 27 to ten seasons
- all contracts to be capped at five years

NHLPA to counter soon, presumably. Not a good starting point.

#3 particularly interests and worries me, because setting the unrestricted free agency clock back to ten years takes us back to the 1995-2004 CBA that took us to the last lockout, after which the 2005-2012 CBA -- with its 7/27 service clock -- was ratified and described as "a huge victory for owners."

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:28 pm 
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I would have to think they would not be dumb enough to cancel another season.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:35 pm 
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It's the NHL. You thought wrong.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:44 pm 
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Whenever we get this settled, I fully expect the players' share to come down to 50%, both because the NBA and NFL just set a sort of precedent by beating down their respective unions into such a split, and because it will be insisted that a 50-50 split is "only fair."

Also remember that cap hit, listed salary, and actual salary are often three different figures. While a player may be said to earn, for example, $3,000,000 a year, what that really means is that the player will earn a salary elaborately proportionate to league revenue. If the totality of annual salaries around the league doesn't add up to around 57% of annual revenue, some of that money gets clawed back through escrow to even out the percentages. This has happened every year but one, if I'm not mistaken, because the union can elect to "escalate" the number that sets the payroll midpoint without a commensurate increase in revenue. This gives teams more money to spend on players, which they don't end up paying 100% of anyway. And this is a problem.

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I see what you did there. Donald Fehr is no stranger to sports labor issues. After all, Fehr was the Executive Director for many years with the even more powerful MLB Players Association. Now, he holds a similar position with the NHL Players Association. That being said, I'm not all that confident that the NHL starts on time. I hope they don't wipe out a whole season like the last time there was a work stoppage.


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I hate to play the part of B & B, but I know two people involved with negotiating sides of this thing. Both are for sure the season doesn't start on time and both believe the season probably ends up starting with the Winter Classic. Take it for what its worth, probably not much.


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Curious Hair wrote:
NHL is asking for

- players' share of revenue cut from 57% to 46%
- entry-level contracts to go from three years to five years
- team control of player rights to go from seven seasons/age 27 to ten seasons
- all contracts to be capped at five years

NHLPA to counter soon, presumably. Not a good starting point.

#3 particularly interests and worries me, because setting the unrestricted free agency clock back to ten years takes us back to the 1995-2004 CBA that took us to the last lockout, after which the 2005-2012 CBA -- with its 7/27 service clock -- was ratified and described as "a huge victory for owners."


They will settle at a 50-50 split
the entry level will go to 4
player control will stay same
contract cap will be 5 years makes scene and keeps the owners honest

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:59 pm 
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I don't understand capping contract years.

Players who have not consented to a large, front-loaded, long-term contract: 0
General managers who have been fired for issuing a large, front-loaded, long-term contract: 0

Players like them. Owners like them. Who wants them gone, exactly?

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I hate to play the part of B & B, but I know two people involved with negotiating sides of this thing. Both are for sure the season doesn't start on time and both believe the season probably ends up starting with the Winter Classic. Take it for what its worth, probably not much.

Man, these fuckers want to copy the NBA at every turn, don't they.

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KRAMER: Alright let's compromise. Twenty-five percent.

MORTY: Ok it's a deal

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