No, none of that is true. You're only saying that because you are hopelessly biased as a Bears fan. I hate both teams equally(in reality I don't really hate either team). Most objective people say its pretty close, because it is. Forte is a better pass catcher and blocker, Gore is a better pure runner. Bush is a great 2nd back, probably second only to Ben Tate in the nfl, but Kendall Walker could be better than anyone we are talking about right now. He's very good for his short time in the nfl and what he's been asked to do.

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And you're not hating on Forte/Bush because your a biased Packers fan?

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Since the Bears' defense is a notch below the 49ers' I'm going with a shootout win for GB. 45-41 type game. They can't afford to go 0-2.

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Back off, Warchild. Seriously.

I like Forte a lot. Ask RPB about when we disagreed last season about whether or not to pay Forte his money. I think i said on here at the time that the Bush signing was fantastic. I like watching both of those players a lot and wish they played for someone else. I believe our disagreement stems from you undervaluing Gore/Walker, not me undervaluing Forte/Bush.

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Not necessarily disagreeing w/you, but isn't the running game a weak spot for you guys over the last few years? Why is that or is that your line's fault? Asking because I don't know. I hate the Packers and don't pay attention to them.

I think Forte is an underrated runner. He's not flashy but he's shifty and effective. He hits the hole hard but is elusive.

Forte is a near 5 yrd/carry guy and Gore hasn't been that for quite a few years.

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It was between the Bears and the 49ers offense, not the Packers. If that was the case I would say the Packers have every advantage except RB.

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It hasn't been good since about 2009. Grant was okay for a few years but was often injured. He missed the whole SB season. It's been a patchwork affair since then.

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OOOppp! Yeah. I'm on board now. Was thinking when did Gore join the Packers but then got lost in matchups and hating the packers.

It's OK. I know shit gets foggy when you get that old. Right Spanky?

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Forte was a 5 ypc guy for one year. What was he before that? But again, I like Forte. I don't think he's underrated but he's a very good runner. I think both are special in the dime-a-dozen category of running back.

Gore has gone through more injuries than Forte has. They have limited him. He's extremely talented and has been for years, when healthy. I would think that's undeniable.

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I'm not drunk but I'm finishing some leftovers from yesterday. That doesn't help.





I like Forte more than a lot of people. He's a huge part or has been a huge part of that offense, and a good player.

I like Gore but he's 29 and 3 years older than Forte. Forte is reaching his prime. His ypc has gone up year after year and this year and next are probably his peak. Gore is on the downside.

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I think it's a few things. Unlike the Bears, the packers line is much worse at run blocking than pass blocking. I just assumed that was due to what each GM has been lookin for in relation to their offensive strategy. The other factor is that McCarthy seems to love the Andy Reid 70/30 pass/run game plan. Another factor is that GB hasn't seriously invested in an RB in awhile and their backs generally aren't very talented. Even Ahman Green was a Seattle castoff iirc. Many of us were pining for Marshaw Lynch a few years back, and I think we took Justin Harrell instead. RB may be easier to fill than any other position, but unless you devote resources to it, you won't end up with a playmaker. The Bears and Bengals both got rid of Benson because he was just a guy that wasn't a difference maker, and may have even been just bad. That's the guy we wanted to roll with. That's what happens when you don't committ any resources to a position.

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First, I don't think Gore is near done. But more importantly to this discussion, all of that is irrelevant. I would much rather have Forte going forward. My point is that this season they are a wash. I might be wrong, but obviously I don't think I am. We'll see. Both were very impressive in Week 1 against bad defenses.

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Forte hasn't really gone off rushing-wise against Packers. His best game was the 10-3 season finale going 15 rushes for 91 and 8 catches for 60 yards. Last year was the 9 rushes for 2 yards doozy albeit with 7 catches for 80 yards.

I'm not sure I'm there with you on RBs yet. How do you feel about Benson?

You are betting on a 29 year-old renaissance year for Gore. It could happen. I don't think he's done but he's not elite any longer. Above-average for sure.

But, even for this year, I'd definitely take Forte. Forte was the most productive back in the League last year before he was injured. I don't see him dropping off just yet.

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Benson is garbage. I hate him. Everything about him. He can't catch or block, and he has below average speed. He's a weaker, smaller Brandon Jacobs. That sounds like the prototype for a shitty RB, and he is. No way Alex Green is worse than him. And yes, I'm factoring in that SF had by far the bed run defense in the nfl last year and brought back all 11 guys. I don't care, he still sucks. I guess he can still get you 100 yards on 28 carries against a bad team, but I'm pretty sure there's like 60 guys at least that fit that bill. It still pisses me off that they didn't go after Michael Bush. We get it TT, you like to draft because that's the smartest way to build a team. But once you build that team, FA is useful. To deny using it on principle alone would be like a coach refusing to use his challenges because he's old school and it goes against his beliefs. Refusing to even step foot in FA isn't old or new school, it's just fucking stupid.

Still love me some TT though. Hard to become a top 5 GM without utilizing FA. Imagine what he could do if he realized the offseason started before mid-April.

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We agree on something!

How do you feel about Thursday?

I'm worried. I have a lot of respect for the Bears running game and I could be eating a lot of crow for the next 18-20 Sundays or so about Marshall and Cutler. But, I dont think Jennings is a very good cover corner yet, and I don't have much respect for the Bears defense overall without a fully healthy Urlacher. I hope we can outscore you guys. I think yesterday's game was more about how good SF is and not how bad GB is. But it takes a special kind of meatball to go into Thursday with any sort of confidence after what we saw yesterday. Im just an ordinary meatball, I have to draw the optimism line somewhere. I'm hoping for a Bad Jay game to make things easier.

How do you feel?

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Worried. The defense will struggle w/o Url and Tillman. I hope for continued success on offense but think it could fall apart and look epically bad at any time. You never know what you have week to week with Lovie's teams. I feel better his little fingers are off the offense, no more his guys there, but it's still not like yours. It could be maybe...we do have a running game too. I'm used to losing in a way. We don't typically beat the good teams.

For some reason you guys seem like you are in panic mode though, and I don't understand why.

I don't get the sense the Pack are in panic mode, but I don't have a great pulse on the fan base up there. I'm quite certain the players and coaching staff aren't in panic mode. I refuse to ever go in panic mode, as evidenced by last years oft-repeated "I'm not worried about the defense" claim.

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You're a smart fan, like Bernstein.

That's the worst insult you've ever given me.

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