Many of them are barely making $30k and the ones that are making a little bit more have about 20 degrees and have been there for a while. It's nowhere near the plush job that many of you are making it out to be.

The problem, though, is that most people who work in "hellish" job environments--statistics show we're talking about tens of millions of people here--have accepted this situation, adopting an attitude of resignation and helplessness in the face of it. People who are willing to fight for a good life are now considered the enemy because they're not willing to suffer in silence like everyone else.

Then who the hell is making the numbers to make the CPS avg teacher salary 76k?

I'm pretty the avg starting salary for a full time CPS teacher is north of 45K. some one take a look at the salary schedule...it should be available online.

Then who the hell is making the numbers to make the CPS avg teacher salary 76k?

More ignorance.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Ive done my job perfectly today. Dont hate me because I have internet access at work.


And yes, they have a favorable schedule. To say otherwise is crazy. If you get 3 months a year off, that's favorable. There is no explaining that away.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

I think my favorite part of this thread is just about everyone is posting from work.

Well let's not go overboard. I agree with your most of your post, but there is definitely a lot of dead wood in there. How to weed them out, I dunno. You could be a psychopath and have your kids improve their test scores, that doesn't mean you are a good teacher. Everyone wants an easy answer.

I'd like to see all of us non-teachers on this board try to be a teacher at the high school level. Most of you guys wouldn't last too long.

Are you aware of the things you're posting? You have a job where it's okay for you to spend countless hours posting from work everyday and get paid for it. I don't have the knowledge to judge your performance or profession. Somehow it is perfectly fine for you to judge the schedule of teachers who AREN'T getting paid for their time off of work during the summer and the countless hours they volunteer and who WORK more hours daily in those 9 months than you do the entire year. That makes perfect sense. See how it feels when someone questions your performance and productivity? Keep that in mind the next time you're griping about a teacher.

Like I said, I'm not really familiar with all the minutae of the negotiations. I'm sure to someone who teaches, salary and hours are what they're concerned about. I don't look at the strike in those terms. I see it as just one small battleground in a much larger war with a lot more at stake than a 4% raise for some teachers.

Whatever money is saved by beating the shit out of the teachers is not going back into your pocket. It will be going to the preferred corporate entities of the powers that be. I believe Republicans like to call such a thing "a redistribution of wealth."

Busting this union is just another step toward a modern version of feudalism where we are all serfs to our corporate lords and masters.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in the elite constantly preaching self-suficiency even as they make being self-sufficient more difficult by the day?

Most teachers could not work as many hours as me in 9 months.

do you know any teachers? Take my wife (please). She got up Saturday and graded from 8 AM to 8 PM. Never left the house. Then Sunday, she graded, lesson planned and did some work on her BD students from 12 Noon until 10 PM. She goes into work every day at 6:30 AM and gets back every day at 5:30 PM. She also teaches summer school.

Yes, I have a few in my close family.

What are you lauging at?

Do they work 80 hours every week? If they do, then Ill take back what I said

That's what I wonder. The teachers I know all seem to make less which would mean there are others are makin more

I always find it odd that one of the most important professions in our society generally gets the least amount of respect. Many of you struggle to watch your own 1-2 kids for an hour but somehow think it's easy for teachers to not only watch but teach 30+ kids that aren't theirs for 7 hours a day and deal with many of you crazy parents before and after school. It's really hilarious. I've done a lot of work in the schools and I've seen first hand what many of these teachers are making and it's nowhere near enough. Many of them are barely making $30k and the ones that are making a little bit more have about 20 degrees and have been there for a while. It's nowhere near the plush job that many of you are making it out to be.

These underpaid and overworked teachers aren't only fighting for benefits they're fighting for working conditions that effect your kids. Teachers aren't getting paid for the summer either or for the countless hours they VOLUNTEER after school working with your kids/grading papers/doing prep work/meeting with parents. They aren't doing it for the money. If it was about money they could definitely find a better paying career. They do it because they have a passion for it.

The overwhelming majority of you that find every reason to gripe about how GREAT teachers have it couldn't walk in their shoes for a week. I support the teachers fight more than I would support any other profession. Even when negotiations are over they will still be screwed and many won't care because they love what they do.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

well, look at the week I just layed out...that's 77 hours. And most weeks she does more on Sunday, plus after school meetings (one every two weeks) that eat up another 2-3 hours. So...yeah!

http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Teacher-l-Chicago,-IL.html



I want to know where the morons in the media are getting that 71k figure.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Salaries (annual average)

Teachers: $74,839
Administrators: $120,659
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Peeps. I wonder where the discrepancy comes from. I think your figure includes insurance,pension contributions and such

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Well, Im not counting transportation time but ok

If we are coming to the conclusion that most teachers work 80 hours per week, then I may change my stance. I find that hard to believe.

Here is the table I found
http://www.nctq.org/docs/4_6812.pdf

I find it interesting that the media and everyone else is quoting the top level salary.

Like I said, I'm not really familiar with all the minutae of the negotiations. I'm sure to someone who teaches, salary and hours are what they're concerned about. I don't look at the strike in those terms. I see it as just one small battleground in a much larger war with a lot more at stake than a 4% raise for some teachers.

Whatever money is saved by beating the shit out of the teachers is not going back into your pocket. It will be going to the preferred corporate entities of the powers that be. I believe Republicans like to call such a thing "a redistribution of wealth."

Busting this union is just another step toward a modern version of feudalism where we are all serfs to our corporate lords and masters.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in the elite constantly preaching self-suficiency even as they make being self-sufficient more difficult by the day?

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

if it was a great job you'd have applicants out the door.

I find it interesting that the media and everyone else is quoting the top level salary.