Yeah the NFL statement completely skips over "control" even though it's part of the rule. They know it's wrong but don't care.

I don't think that's true. Tate never had control of it. Gonna have to side with the vast majority on this one. But there's always gonna be contrarians to anything. The picture speaks for itself.

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The picture does not tell the whole story though, it only shows what was the situation after they were on the ground. The rule has to do with what happens before they got to the ground as well.

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Right. Look at the replay and then freeze frame it wherever you wish. Jennings had possession first, and then later after they hit the ground. There's a reason that virtually everybody is saying it was an interception. It's because it was an interception.

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Everyone was sure the Calvin Johnson and Tuck rule calls were wrong, too.

Not true. There was a big chunk of people saying bad rule, good call on both of those. Very few people are taking that side today.

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Ive questioned this Ryan person on one of his points.


If possession cant be determined til the ground, then how does anyone ever retrun an INT?

Interested in his response

Exactly. There is still a lot of clarity needed on the interpretation of the rule.

Folks, I have reviewed the play meticulously a number of times. This was simultaneous possession. Jennings had an extra hand on it, but the rule says nothing about number of hands. Guys can make 1 handed catches. Watch each angle. The moment Jennings first has it in his hand Tate also has it. The only other issue was the offensive pass interference but not even the normal officials would call it on a 'last play of the game' heave. And if you think differently I don't really care because it'll be a cold day in goodell before I recognize any of our opinions.


Goodell - out.

Rack em!

Okay, that picture obviously shows control of the ball by Golden Tate.

Sorry, I had a mild stroke whilst typing that sentence; apparently I'm not the only one that ignores obvious physical evidence.

He had little more possession of the football than my cat did at the time of the play. Having a wrist touching a couple of stitches on the ball doesn't constitute anything remotely resembling possession or a claim to possession.

Contrarian argument is still contrarian for the sake of ... God knows what.

Oh, btw, going back to the original gripe about the play, which is the offensive pass interference ... league says that's what would and should've been called.

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That picture is really late in the sequence. It may be after the refs even blow the whistle. That's not right as they or even right after they hit the ground.

No way. Mini Ditka hasn't used all caps yet.

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Not true. Im sorry the NFL rules are not to your liking and sometimes dont make sense, but he had possession as far as the letter of the law.


No, its really not. Its just applying the poorly written rule correctly.

It wasn't a reception. Everyone that has been associated with football for their entire lives agrees it wasn't. Former coaches to current players......

While trying to find a way to imagine even the slightest possibility that it was a catch, it's important to remember there is a difference between "gaining control of the ball" and "catching a ball". Gaining control of the ball can happen in mid-air (and did in this case). The catch is completed after the person that gains control of the ball comes to the ground in bounds and maintains control.

The rule states that the person who gains control of the ball first is in possession of the ball upon completion. The Packers clearly - CLEARLY - gained control of the ball first. Jennings had two arms around it, cradled it to his chest, and did so all the way to the ground. At best, Tate "gained" control of the ball after Jennings did. At best - though I'm not sure he ever even gained control at all.

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You're literally in like the 1% on this Bryan. Pretty much everyone thinks it was a bad call according to the rules. Nobody is talking about rewriting the rules. They just want back the guys who know how to call a professional game.

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See? This is why Spany gets the good seats at Katie O'Connor's. Not much to argue in the above.

I feel a blog post coming on....

*raises hand*

I would actually be in favor of rewriting this rule.

I'm cooking up a doozie about the Ryder Cup.


Wish I was going......

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Me too. But nobody is really talking about it nationally.

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Well, I just found the part of the rule where Im wrong.

It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.


The post this guy made seemed to indicate the opposite. I see where he was going. If Calvin Johnson didnt have possession til he hit the ground last year, how can MD Jennings have possession before he hit the ground? If he didnt have possession until then then its a simultaneous catch because Tate had his hand on the ball at that point as well.


Anwyay, bad call on my part and the replacement's part


EDIT: NFL network guy (per Speeps), Herb Williams, and Laurence Holmes talked of it being correct by the letter of the rule.

I would take pretty much any poster's word on this subject before I believed Holmes. Holmes is pretty much the last guy I would believe.

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Unless it's something to do with women.

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Control and possession are two different terms. You can't have possession until you touch the ground, but you can have control before you do. Clearly the Packers have control of the ball first in the air, therefore there is no simultaneous catch. The next thing you need to see is if the Packers defender has possession, which the NFL defines as: a player controls the ball throughout the act of clearly touching both feet, or any other part of his body other than his hand(s), to the ground inbounds. In this case, you don't see the DB ever lose control of the ball through the act of falling to the ground, so it meets the NFL criteria for possession.

TL;DR - what spanky said

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