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Pat Listach gone immediately after game 162.

I guess he pissed somebody off.

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Pat Listach gone immediately after game 162.

I guess he pissed somebody off.

Damn.


Was he the one that started that shit with the Nationals?

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Pat Listach gone immediately after game 162.

I guess he pissed somebody off.

Damn.


Was he the one that started that shit with the Nationals?

I'm not sure. Just odd timing that they said get the fuck out that fast...


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Pat Listach gone immediately after game 162.

I guess he pissed somebody off.

Damn.


Was he the one that started that shit with the Nationals?

I'm not sure. Just odd timing that they said get the fuck out that fast...


The Phillies fired 3 guys immediately after the game...and will promote Sandberg to one of those positions.

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Pat Listach gone immediately after game 162.

I guess he pissed somebody off.

Damn.


Was he the one that started that shit with the Nationals?

I'm not sure. Just odd timing that they said get the fuck out that fast...


The Phillies fired 3 guys immediately after the game...and will promote Sandberg to one of those positions.

Has the Sandberg promotion become official yet? He certainly deserves a big league gig.


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I hate the Sandberg talk more than anything. Lets focus on the Cubs. How much do you bring Luis Valbuena back for? I say 5 years 60 MIL

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I hope there is a component to the Cubs proprietary software that can identify chokers so Theo doesn't draft any of those guys!

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I hope there is a component to the Cubs proprietary software that can identify chokers so Theo doesn't draft any of those guys!

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@PWSullivan: Theo says Vitters and Jackson told they will go back to Triple-A.

And Sandberg has been named new 3B coach for Phillies.

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Phil McCracken wrote:
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I hope there is a component to the Cubs proprietary software that can identify chokers so Theo doesn't draft any of those guys!

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Different conversation, Phil. Based on certain criteria that identify what we might consider "clutch" players, there are certain guys who perform better in the clutch than at other times. A short list would include Miguel Tejada, Mark Grace, Omar Vizquel. The problem is that by the time a reasonable data set is assembled, the player's career is nearly over. In addition, the difference between those who are "clutch" and those who "choke" is so minimal as to make very little difference. We're talking about a run or two over the course of an entire 162 game season.

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@PWSullivan: Theo says Vitters and Jackson told they will go back to Triple-A.

And Sandberg has been named new 3B coach for Phillies.

The Phillies are guaranteed to win the world series now that they have the greatest baseball mind of any generation coaching 3rd for them.

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Different conversation, Phil. Based on certain criteria that identify what we might consider "clutch" players, there are certain guys who perform better in the clutch than at other times. A short list would include Miguel Tejada, Mark Grace, Omar Vizquel. The problem is that by the time a reasonable data set is assembled, the player's career is nearly over. In addition, the difference between those who are "clutch" and those who "choke" is so minimal as to make very little difference. We're talking about a run or two over the course of an entire 162 game season.

The real clutch performer was Miguel Tejada's pharmacist.

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Phil McCracken wrote:
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Different conversation, Phil. Based on certain criteria that identify what we might consider "clutch" players, there are certain guys who perform better in the clutch than at other times. A short list would include Miguel Tejada, Mark Grace, Omar Vizquel. The problem is that by the time a reasonable data set is assembled, the player's career is nearly over. In addition, the difference between those who are "clutch" and those who "choke" is so minimal as to make very little difference. We're talking about a run or two over the course of an entire 162 game season.

The real clutch performer was Miguel Tejada's pharmacist.


Or Grace's bartender!

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I hope there is a component to the Cubs proprietary software that can identify chokers so Theo doesn't draft any of those guys!

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Different conversation, Phil. Based on certain criteria that identify what we might consider "clutch" players, there are certain guys who perform better in the clutch than at other times. A short list would include Miguel Tejada, Mark Grace, Omar Vizquel. The problem is that by the time a reasonable data set is assembled, the player's career is nearly over. In addition, the difference between those who are "clutch" and those who "choke" is so minimal as to make very little difference. We're talking about a run or two over the course of an entire 162 game season.

So was Michael Jordan clutch?


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@PWSullivan: Theo says Vitters and Jackson told they will go back to Triple-A.

And Sandberg has been named new 3B coach for Phillies.

Good to hear on Jackson and Vitters. They clearly aren't ready and may never be.

Congrats to Ryno. It's about time.


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Theo needs to find a way to get Headley to play 3rd. He was too damn good this year and will be unobtainable though.

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Theo needs to find a way to get Headley to play 3rd. He was too damn good this year and will be unobtainable though.

Just got to use those Hoyer connects. The problem now is that the Cubs have exposed Jackson and Vitters as frauds they are worthless as trade chips.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I hope there is a component to the Cubs proprietary software that can identify chokers so Theo doesn't draft any of those guys!

Me too. Not many things are worse than having a Javier Vazquez, Gavin Floyd or Jake Peavy pitching in a meangingful game. Shit, Aramis Ramirez was a giant bastard with his disapearing act when the Cubs needing him at critical times to carry the team.


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cpguy wrote:
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I hope there is a component to the Cubs proprietary software that can identify chokers so Theo doesn't draft any of those guys!

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Different conversation, Phil. Based on certain criteria that identify what we might consider "clutch" players, there are certain guys who perform better in the clutch than at other times. A short list would include Miguel Tejada, Mark Grace, Omar Vizquel. The problem is that by the time a reasonable data set is assembled, the player's career is nearly over. In addition, the difference between those who are "clutch" and those who "choke" is so minimal as to make very little difference. We're talking about a run or two over the course of an entire 162 game season.

So was Michael Jordan clutch?


Not when he threw the ball to Nick Anderson. He was a choker.

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@PWSullivan: Theo says Vitters and Jackson told they will go back to Triple-A.
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@PWSullivan: Theo says Vitters and Jackson told they will go back to Triple-A.
#MikeTrout

Trout had to log some AAA innings this season after his previous debut.

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@PWSullivan: Theo says Vitters and Jackson told they will go back to Triple-A.

Another similarity between Jackson and Trout.

Watch him get called up a month into the season and tear the league up. Just. You. Watch.

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With Jackson going back to the minors, what will we do without all of those nice cool breezes coming from his bat.

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Blake DeWitt and Randy Wells both declared for free agency.

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Gotta expect the club to sign 2 starting pitchers to replace Dempster and Maholm. I expect Volstad to be gone as well as Germano. both are awful and unless they want to make another run at 100 losses, they will need to sign some starters. Nobody from the minor leagues is ready, so free agency is most likely the way they aquire the starters they need. I wouldn't mind seeing dempster return if nobody offers him a big deal. At about 8 million a year, he would fit nicely for 2 years. he would no longer have the right to refuse a trade, so that would be a non-issue. They need a 3rd baseman too. Stewart may be given a 2nd chance, but i hope they can get someone better than that. Youkilis is too old and with his back problems, I don't see that making sense. but 2 starters, a 3rd baseman. sappelt can take over in the Outfield in jacksons place. I don't want an outfielder signed. Almora and soler will be along in a couple years. In 2013, they can continue on with Soriano, DeJesus and Sappelt. Hell, if they can't find a taker for LaHair, they can use DeJesus in CF on occassion and put LaHair in RF too. but signing a player to a contract over a single year to play an OF position, would be foolish. Can't block the path of the young stars of the future.

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http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/10/1 ... um-others/

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Another random name to keep in the back of your mind: Jesse Litsch. The Blue Jays tried to outright the 27-year-old righty to the minors, but he rejected the assignment and is now a free agent. After a completely lost 2012 season (shoulder inflammation in Spring Training, serious infection following platelet-rich plasma injections designed to speed the healing), you’ve got to figure that Litsch will be looking for a “prove-it” type deal – possibly even a minor league deal (with a Major League split – i.e., it’s a minor league deal, but, if he makes the big league roster, he makes $X million). He was solid for the Blue Jays in 2011 in a swing role (96 ERA+, but a nice 1.293 WHIP, 2.36 K/BB ratio, and 3.63 xFIP), which was his first full season back from Tommy John surgery. There could be some nice value there (decent upside, almost no risk) for a team like the Cubs, who will have plenty of spots available in the rotation or the pen for guys to try and “prove-it” in Spring Training. The Cubs, in fact, would be wise to market themselves to guys like Litsch in that way. “You want a chance to start or feature in the bullpen somewhere? Good luck getting that on a team that’s gobbling up big-name free agents.”


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Bruce Levine chatted this week, and … (1) Bruce sees Dan Haren as an “ideal” candidate to sign to a two-year, or one-plus-option type deal (sure, the Cubs might want him to be that, but, even after a down year, I have a hard time seeing Haren get fewer than three years (unless he wants a one-year prove-it deal, which he’d take from a team other than the Cubs), and the Cubs are unlikely to go there with him); (2) Alfonso Soriano is definitely on the trade market, but Darwin Barney might not be; (3) Josh Hamilton is not a fit for the Cubs (yeah); (4) the Cubs feel like the flaws in Brett Jackson’s swing are mechanical, and can be corrected; (5) the Cubs don’t have anything that interests the Braves (I think that’s a bit too simplistic, Bruce – every team in baseball has something that interests every other team in baseball; whether the Cubs have the right pieces to acquire Randall Delgado (which was the question) is fair to debate, but if the Cubs were truly desiring Delgado enough, they could get him); (5) the Cubs could make a play for their own TV station after the WGN contract expires in 2014 (but, remember, that’s only half of the Cubs’ rights – the other half, held by CSN, are under contract through 2019; so, in order to change things up after 2014, the Cubs are going to have to figure out a way to buy out that deal, which could be absurdly expensive (though the Ricketts own a portion (about 25%) of CSN from when they bought the Cubs, so who knows how it would play out)); (6) Brandon McCarthy is a possible target, if healthy (until his head injury, he was going to be my number one target for the Cubs); (7) the White Sox tried to acquire Tony Campana midseason, and the Cubs told them he “wasn’t available” (there’s NO chance the Cubs flatly refused to trade Campana – refused to trade him for what the White Sox were offering? absolutely possible); and (8) the Cubs don’t necessarily see Josh Vitters as their third baseman of the future, and there are a number of teams who like his bat (implication here is a trade).


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Ben Nicholson-Smith also chatted over at MLBTR, and … (1) Shaun Marcum is a likely target for the Cubs, and he could get a multiyear deal for less than $10 million per year (a two-year, $15 to $18 million deal seems reasonable – though a team might be willing to take a chance on him for three years … would the Cubs? Maybe); (2) Cubs management definitely cares about winning (was that really a question?); (3) add another one to the chorus: Ben expects the Cubs to focus on DeJesus/Maholm/Stewart/Volstad type acquisitions this offseason; (4) can’t see Jeff Samardzija being dealt this Winter; and (5) the Rays would not go for an Alfonso Soriano and cash for James Shields deal (come on, Cubs fans – don’t make us look silly with questions like that).
The Cubs have an opening at the hitting coach position right now (James Rowson is the interim guy, and could still be made the full-time guy), and many think they’re waiting on a chance to land Red Sox hitting coach Dave Magadan. Nick Cafardo doesn’t think Magadan is going anywhere, though: “The Red Sox hold an option on hitting coach Dave Magadan’s contract. Would think they’d retain him.”

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If you were all on board with blowing off 2012, you really should be staying the course and do the same in 2013. There is almost nothing they can do that will get them past BOTH the Cardinals and Reds. They would need some luck to even match the Brewers and Pirates. I am not trolling with this post. This team really needs one more year of full on suckage before the reclamation begins.

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Agreed. This offseason is going to be a lot like last one. Lots of cheap 'high upside' kind of signings like DeJesus and Stewart were and signing a few 3-4 type starters to hopefully be used as trade bait.

My wildest expectations has the Cubs as 70 wins next year and that's probably crazy.

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It is too early for stupid meatball Hank Scorpio. While I have clear head and am thinking logically, they would be lucky to get over 70 wins.

Check back with me in Feb so I can predict a division title.

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