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lipidquadcab

Post subject: Is there a stat...

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:11 pm

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...that factors the total bases for not only yourself but runners on base? Like an uber slugging percentage with run producing factored in?

Total Bases Gained / Plate Appearance

Home run is 4...grand slam is 10...etc...

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trickybeck

Post subject: Re: Is there a stat...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:26 pm

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I worked on something here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2260181/TotalBasesGained.xlsx

I couldn't find a way to do it for multiple players at once. So you have to go to baseball-reference.com, copy a player's split stats, and paste them into this spreadsheet. Instructions are included.

It basically calculates the Total Bases Gained as you described.

And then rather than dividing simply by Plate Appearance, it divides by Potential Total Bases Gained (the maximum value if a player hit a home-run in every at-bat, based on the actual base-runners present).

Adam Dunn 2011 got 8.10%
Miguel Cabrera 2012 got 16.78%
Ian Kinsler 2012 (picked as an average-ish season) got 11.89%

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Rod

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:28 pm

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Did you figure in walks and HBP or just hits?

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:49 pm

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It's only hits, didn't want to spend any more time on it. No walks, sacrifices, rbi groundouts, etc. But it's based on ABs not PAs, so a player is neither rewarded nor penalized for them.

Edit: However, this also avoids sluggers getting penalized for being walked with runners on 2nd and 3rd (which would be 1 base gained out of a maximum of 7)

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Rod

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:25 pm

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immessedup17 wrote:

Inherently this punishes guys who play on poor offenses, even if they themselves are tearing it up offensively.

Flawed statistic.

No, it shows you clutchness.

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:30 pm

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There are plenty of better stats that demonstrate that Brett Jackson is a scrub.

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:47 pm

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Dunn had a better game than Soriano.

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lipidquadcab

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:51 pm

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immessedup17 wrote:

Inherently this punishes guys who play on poor offenses, even if they themselves are tearing it up offensively.

Flawed statistic.

Few if any stats arent flawed.

Was just bouncing an idea around based on something an announcer said about someone moving runners on base...

Will think on how to factor in opportunities better.

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trickybeck

Post subject: Re: Is there a stat...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:34 pm

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immessedup17 wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

Inherently this punishes guys who play on poor offenses, even if they themselves are tearing it up offensively.

Flawed statistic.

No, it shows you clutchness.

One can't be clutch if one doesn't have the opportunity.

The statistic being proposed would be a sum of total bags acquired for yourself and runners on base for your at-bat. Obviously an average someone who always comes up with a runner or runners on base will always have a higher figure in this statistic than a guy who has a higher OPS but plays on a shit team.

The one I came up with divides by opportunities. Which I already explained. So it completely factors that in. It's a percent of how many bases one created, based on the total potential one could have had given their opportunities. The total potential counts the baserunners each player actually had.

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Rod

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:52 pm

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immessedup17 wrote:

But yours loses all factor of clutch. Yours is saying a home-run with 3 runners on has the same value as a solo shot, correct?

And that needs to be weighted too, in my opinion.

Now you want to reward a guy because his teammates were good enough to get on? Make up your mind.

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trickybeck

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:55 pm

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immessedup17 wrote:

But yours loses all factor of clutch. Yours is saying a home-run with 3 runners on has the same value as a solo shot, correct?

And that needs to be weighted too, in my opinion.

No. Not at all.

I did exactly what lipidquadcab asked. Here's the values you get for each type of hit, for each baserunner situation. It's how many total bases gained. The situational data for every hitter is at baseball-reference.com. Then you divide how many total bases gained, by how many that player could have gained (if he hit a home run in every at bat).

Code:

BR    1b 2b  3B  HR
---   1   2   3   4
1--   2   4   6   7
-2-   2   4   5   6
--3   2   3   4   5
12-   3   6   8   9
1-3   3   5   7   8
-23   3   5   6   7
123   4   7   9   10

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Terry's Peeps

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

But yours loses all factor of clutch. Yours is saying a home-run with 3 runners on has the same value as a solo shot, correct?

And that needs to be weighted too, in my opinion.

Now you want to reward a guy because his teammates were good enough to get on? Make up your mind.

RBI is a useless stat.

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Rod

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:01 pm

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

But yours loses all factor of clutch. Yours is saying a home-run with 3 runners on has the same value as a solo shot, correct?

And that needs to be weighted too, in my opinion.

Now you want to reward a guy because his teammates were good enough to get on? Make up your mind.

RBI is a useless stat.

Yep. I don't even want anyone who drives in runs on my team!

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:10 pm

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That Hack Wilson was a horseshit player.

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Rod

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:08 pm

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immessedup17 wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

But yours loses all factor of clutch. Yours is saying a home-run with 3 runners on has the same value as a solo shot, correct?

And that needs to be weighted too, in my opinion.

Now you want to reward a guy because his teammates were good enough to get on? Make up your mind.

I want to reward players for driving in runs that are already on base. I don't want to punish a player for not being able to drive in runs that are impossible to drive in.

It is simple, really.

It may be simple but it's not very logical.

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