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It's disingenuous to suggest JORR's idea hasn't worked for 104 years. It hasn't worked for the Cubs for that long. It's worked quite well in New York.

I guess we just view this differently. I consider any team that loses 100+ games a laughingstock. The fact that management said that was their intention doesn't make it better, it makes it worse. JORR was right that the White Sox would be getting killed by the media and on here if they did this.

I understand what you're saying about rebuilding. You can do that and compete. Cubs have the resources. If the Cubs lose 100+ games again next season is that going to be acceptable?

THat hasn't worked out well for the Yanks lately. Maybe early on, but buying all the top talent doesn't last long. Now they're in a spot of trouble, IMHO. Big contracts and some players that just aren't getting it done. That could fuck them for a long time... can they sustain that kind of spending? Can they build on that spending? Time will tell.

See, I'd consider a team that lost 100+ when expecting to lose like mad the first year less of a laughing stock that a team that was winning and in 1st place for 116 days and choked in the last week, myself. That's just me though. Different perceptions.

You can rebuild and compete? Who had done that? Why buy talent that won't win you a division and give yourself less draft picks or worse picks?

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I don't care at all.

But there is an absolute faith that some Cub fans put in Theo that is mind boggling.

And you can rebuild whilst not being God awful.

Where are you getting the "absolute faith" thing from? I think the only person I've gotten that impression from is Cubbieswhale.

You can't be serious. You just suggested it was a fact that JORR was wrong and Theo was right. That's about as "absolute faith" as it gets man.

No offense, but that's a dumb thing to say. Saying I think theo is more right that JORR doesn't mean ABSOLUTE FAITH. It just means I trust the guy with a ring a little more that I trust an internet guy I've never met.

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I don't care at all.

But there is an absolute faith that some Cub fans put in Theo that is mind boggling.

And you can rebuild whilst not being God awful.

Where are you getting the "absolute faith" thing from? I think the only person I've gotten that impression from is Cubbieswhale.

You can't be serious. You just suggested it was a fact that JORR was wrong and Theo was right. That's about as "absolute faith" as it gets man.

No offense, but that's a dumb thing to say. Saying I think theo is more right that JORR doesn't mean ABSOLUTE FAITH. It just means I trust the guy with a ring a little more that I trust an internet guy I've never met.

That's not we are talking about. JORR and Theo are irrelevant to the larger overall point. We are talking about philosophical approaches to running a baseball team. You declared that JORR's philosophy was wrong and Theo's was right. You didn't say anything about degrees of trust. That's absolute faith.

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It's disingenuous to suggest JORR's idea hasn't worked for 104 years. It hasn't worked for the Cubs for that long. It's worked quite well in New York.

I guess we just view this differently. I consider any team that loses 100+ games a laughingstock. The fact that management said that was their intention doesn't make it better, it makes it worse. JORR was right that the White Sox would be getting killed by the media and on here if they did this.

I understand what you're saying about rebuilding. You can do that and compete. Cubs have the resources. If the Cubs lose 100+ games again next season is that going to be acceptable?

THat hasn't worked out well for the Yanks lately. Maybe early on, but buying all the top talent doesn't last long. Now they're in a spot of trouble, IMHO. Big contracts and some players that just aren't getting it done. That could fuck them for a long time... can they sustain that kind of spending? Can they build on that spending? Time will tell.

See, I'd consider a team that lost 100+ when expecting to lose like mad the first year less of a laughing stock that a team that was winning and in 1st place for 116 days and choked in the last week, myself. That's just me though. Different perceptions.

You can rebuild and compete? Who had done that? Why buy talent that won't win you a division and give yourself less draft picks or worse picks?

Isn't rebuilding while competing pretty much the reason for this thread being created?

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That's not we are talking about. JORR and Theo are irrelevant to the larger overall point. We are talking about philosophical approaches to running a baseball team. You declared that JORR's philosophy was wrong and Theo's was right. You didn't say anything about degrees of trust. That's absolute faith.

It is not. I'm not even willing to debate that. It's postively SILLY that you'd even begin to think something like that.
I don't have absolute faith in ANYTHING. Much less a GM that has less that a year on the job. That's completely insane, and really not worth addressing any further. Move on.

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Isn't rebuilding while competing pretty much the reason for this thread being created?


I didn't read the first page, I don't know what the OP's thoughts were when creating the thread.

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Darkside wrote:
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It's disingenuous to suggest JORR's idea hasn't worked for 104 years. It hasn't worked for the Cubs for that long. It's worked quite well in New York.

I guess we just view this differently. I consider any team that loses 100+ games a laughingstock. The fact that management said that was their intention doesn't make it better, it makes it worse. JORR was right that the White Sox would be getting killed by the media and on here if they did this.

I understand what you're saying about rebuilding. You can do that and compete. Cubs have the resources. If the Cubs lose 100+ games again next season is that going to be acceptable?

THat hasn't worked out well for the Yanks lately. Maybe early on, but buying all the top talent doesn't last long. Now they're in a spot of trouble, IMHO. Big contracts and some players that just aren't getting it done. That could fuck them for a long time... can they sustain that kind of spending? Can they build on that spending? Time will tell.

See, I'd consider a team that lost 100+ when expecting to lose like mad the first year less of a laughing stock that a team that was winning and in 1st place for 116 days and choked in the last week, myself. That's just me though. Different perceptions.

You can rebuild and compete? Who had done that? Why buy talent that won't win you a division and give yourself less draft picks or worse picks?


:lol:

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Darkside wrote:
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That's not we are talking about. JORR and Theo are irrelevant to the larger overall point. We are talking about philosophical approaches to running a baseball team. You declared that JORR's philosophy was wrong and Theo's was right. You didn't say anything about degrees of trust. That's absolute faith.

It is not. I'm not even willing to debate that. It's postively SILLY that you'd even begin to think something like that.
I don't have absolute faith in ANYTHING. Much less a GM that has less that a year on the job. That's completely insane, and really not worth addressing any further. Move on.

:lol:

Ok. Let's move on.

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THat hasn't worked out well for the Yanks lately. Maybe early on, but buying all the top talent doesn't last long. Now they're in a spot of trouble, IMHO. Big contracts and some players that just aren't getting it done. That could fuck them for a long time... can they sustain that kind of spending? Can they build on that spending? Time will tell.

See, I'd consider a team that lost 100+ when expecting to lose like mad the first year less of a laughing stock that a team that was winning and in 1st place for 116 days and choked in the last week, myself. That's just me though. Different perceptions.

You can rebuild and compete? Who had done that? Why buy talent that won't win you a division and give yourself less draft picks or worse picks?


:lol:

Keep hope alive.

Remember Peeps, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things.

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:lol:

Keep hope alive.

Seriously though... it's a fair question. Who looks worse, the team that was in first all season and blew it in the last week, or the team that was precisely as bad as everyone, including management, said they'd be? Honestly, I'd say that the "laughingstock" is the team that blew it in the end, rather than the one that was in last place by the end of the first month and never recovered.

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THat hasn't worked out well for the Yanks lately. Maybe early on, but buying all the top talent doesn't last long. Now they're in a spot of trouble, IMHO. Big contracts and some players that just aren't getting it done. That could fuck them for a long time... can they sustain that kind of spending? Can they build on that spending? Time will tell.

See, I'd consider a team that lost 100+ when expecting to lose like mad the first year less of a laughing stock that a team that was winning and in 1st place for 116 days and choked in the last week, myself. That's just me though. Different perceptions.

You can rebuild and compete? Who had done that? Why buy talent that won't win you a division and give yourself less draft picks or worse picks?


:lol:

Keep hope alive.

Remember Peeps, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things.

Hey, Red... Eat my sack.

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:lol:

Keep hope alive.

Seriously though... it's a fair question. Who looks worse, the team that was in first all season and blew it in the last week, or the team that was precisely as bad as everyone, including management, said they'd be? Honestly, I'd say that the "laughingstock" is the team that blew it in the end, rather than the one that was in last place by the end of the first month and never recovered.

We had this thread topic already at the end of the season. There's some Sox fans that agree with you. I don't. I'd much rather have the Sox season than the Cubs season this year.

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Darkside wrote:
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THat hasn't worked out well for the Yanks lately. Maybe early on, but buying all the top talent doesn't last long. Now they're in a spot of trouble, IMHO. Big contracts and some players that just aren't getting it done. That could fuck them for a long time... can they sustain that kind of spending? Can they build on that spending? Time will tell.

See, I'd consider a team that lost 100+ when expecting to lose like mad the first year less of a laughing stock that a team that was winning and in 1st place for 116 days and choked in the last week, myself. That's just me though. Different perceptions.

You can rebuild and compete? Who had done that? Why buy talent that won't win you a division and give yourself less draft picks or worse picks?


:lol:

Keep hope alive.

Remember Peeps, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things.

Hey, Red... Eat my sack.

That's a rude thing to say.

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That's a rude thing to say.

:?

Oh... Well, then...

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Still rude.

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Still rude.

You're being obtuse.
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Still rude.

You're being obtuse.

It is purposeful.

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Still rude.

You're being obtuse.

It is purposeful.

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Still rude.

You're being obtuse.

It is purposeful.

Another month in the hole for you.

Easiest time I ever did.

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:lol:
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I don't care at all.

But there is an absolute faith that some Cub fans put in Theo that is mind boggling.

And you can rebuild whilst not being God awful.

For my entire lifetime the Cubs have been chasing a title with bad free agent signings. Is is really that weird, that I would welcome someone trying to build the organization from the ground up?
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I don't care at all.

But there is an absolute faith that some Cub fans put in Theo that is mind boggling.

And you can rebuild whilst not being God awful.

For my entire lifetime the Cubs have been chasing a title with bad free agent signings. Is is really that weird, that I would welcome someone trying to build the organization from the ground up?


:lol:

I had to reread the thread to see what I was talking about.

Some people here react to any questioning of Theo with unquestioning fealty.

That's all.

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Theo would have remembered the thread without looking


Theo DAMN Epstein !!
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Theo would have remembered the thread without looking


Theo DAMN Epstein !!


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