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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/84206 ... ie-guillen
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Miami Marlins reliever Heath Bell was critical of Ozzie Guillen during a radio interview Monday, hinting that he does not respect the Marlins' opinionated manager.

Bell, who was removed from the closer role after struggling earlier this season, made the comments on "The Dan Sileo Show" on 560 WQAM in Miami.

"It's hard to respect a guy that doesn't tell you the truth or doesn't tell you face-to-face," Bell said. "There's probably reasons why."
Heath Bell has been pretty brutal this year, but this Marlins/Ozzie situation is awful. I think its worse than anything he said/did with the Sox. I mean, calling Mariotti a Ffag was pretty bad, but Jay deserved it.

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Guillen also made headlines on Friday when he made public comments that reportedly angered Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria.

"If Jeffrey doesn't think I'm doing the job I should do ... it's not the first time he's fired a manager," Guillen told reporters Friday in New York. "Look yourself in the mirror and ask why so many (expletive) managers come through here."

The last-place Marlins own a 66-87 record in Guillen's first season with the franchise. Bell would not say whether he wanted Guillen to return for 2013.
I really can't see how the Marlins can keep Ozzie around next year. At this point, its hard to imagine him getting another managerial job in the near future.

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He didn't know how good he had it with the Sox. But he's got his millions to comfort him. How's Oney doing? Cowley? :lol:

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Ozzie's gonna get fired at the end of the year, lie low through 2013, and then get a Jerry Reinsdorf Job For Life as White Sox Vice-President of Latino Community Relations or some do-nothing shit, thus making the White Sox the first team, to my knowledge, to employ a retired athlete as an ill-will ambassador.

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Ozzie will get another job as soon as some owner or GM decides "we got so many latin guys, we need a latin manager to relate to them"


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Yes. Ozzie Guillen is the only Latino manager there has ever been or will be. There is no one else they could hire.

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Yes. Ozzie Guillen is the only Latino manager there has ever been or will be. There is no one else they could hire.

Right and Bill Parcells isnt the only hard ass that fixes broken teams, but he keeps getting hired as if he were.



Also if you google "MLB Latin Manager" Ozzie's wikipedia is the first result.


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Ozzie Guillen is no Bill Parcells.

I'll bet you an Italian beef sammich that Jerry's prodigal pretend-son will come home.

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Curious Hair wrote:
Ozzie Guillen is no Bill Parcells.

I'll bet you an Italian beef sammich that Jerry's prodigal pretend-son will come home.

I was going to offer you an endless bet that Oz gets another job.

The only way you win....is if he dies



I could see the Sox homecoming AND the job after. Im with you on your premise, just dont think Oz is ready to settle down yet


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Ozzie's gonna get fired at the end of the year, lie low through 2013, and then get a Jerry Reinsdorf Job For Life as White Sox Vice-President of Latino Community Relations or some do-nothing shit, thus making the White Sox the first team, to my knowledge, to employ a retired athlete as an ill-will ambassador.

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:lol: :lol: Wow. How the mighty have fallen.

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Ozzie Guillen was fired Tuesday after one year as manager of the last-place Miami Marlins, whose promising season began to derail in April when his laudatory comments about Fidel Castro caused a backlash.

Miami's next manager will be the fifth for owner Jeffrey Loria since early 2010. Two managers he fired made the playoffs this year. The Marlins still owe Guillen $7.5 million for the three years remaining on his contract.

''After careful consideration following the disappointment of the 2012 season, we decided to dismiss Ozzie,'' president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest said in a statement. ''Our managerial search begins immediately and our hope is that a new manager, along with roster improvements, will restore a winning culture.''

The franchise was supposedly transformed by an offseason spending spree and the move into a new ballpark, and the Marlins expected to contend for a playoff berth.

In spring training, Guillen touted his team as well balanced and ready to win. But a dismal June took the Marlins out of contention for good, and management dismantled the roster in July.

The season went sour from the start. Guillen's comments praising Castro in a magazine interview angered Cuban Americans, who make up a large segment of the Marlins' fan base. The Venezuelan manager apologized repeatedly at a news conference for his remarks about the former Cuban leader. Guillen then began a five-game suspension only five games into his stay with the team.

''That was a very, very hard situation for me and the people around me,'' Guillen said in September. ''It was maybe the worst thing I ever did.''

In September 2011, Guillen left the Chicago White Sox after eight seasons. Some 24 hours later he sealed a four-year deal with the Marlins, where he was a third-base coach for the 2003 World Series championship team.

''I feel like I'm back home,'' he said at the time.

Loria traded two minor league players to obtain Guillen and gave him a team-record $10 million, four-year deal.

But by June, the Marlins had fallen below .500 for good. Despite the frustrations of losing, the talkative, opinionated, profane Guillen kept his cool for the most part, and he repeatedly accepted responsibility for the team's performance.

Mindful of speculation his job might be in jeopardy, he said two weeks before the end of the season he was glad he rented a house in Miami rather than buying when he took the job.

''With the job I did this year, do you think I deserve to be back here?'' Guillen said on the final day of the season. ''Of course not. But I'm not the only one. ... Let's start from the top. The front office failed, Ozzie failed, the coaching staff failed, the players failed, everybody failed.''

In December, the Marlins signed All-Stars Jose Reyes, Mark Buehrle and Heath Bell to contracts worth a combined $191 million. But Bell was a bust as the closer, and the Marlins were plagued by poor hitting, especially in the clutch. Bell was traded last week to Arizona.

In the Marlins' 20 seasons they have reached the postseason only twice, as wild-card teams in 1997 and 2003. Both times they won the World Series.

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I find it pretty remarkable that the Marlins have only made the playoffs twice in 20 years as the wild card and they won the championship both years. I guess that's what happens when you're in the same division as the Atlanta Braves.

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I find it pretty remarkable that the Marlins have only made the playoffs twice in 20 years as the wild card and they won the championship both years. I guess that's what happens when you're in the same division as the Atlanta Braves.

That is true, Mini. The Atlanta Braves won 14 straight National League East titles in the '90s and early 2000s, yet won just 1 World Series title in Bobby Cox's tenure down there in 1995. The Miami Marlins were there in 1997 & 2003. The rest as they say is history.

As for where Ozzie resurfaces, I think it's a real longshot in the wake of the whole Marlins' fiasco. Right now, there are 2 other teams looking for new managers, and Chuck Swirsky, who I follow on Twitter @swirsk054, believes that the Toronto Blue Jays should make a run at Ozzie.

Even though he's the radio voice of the Bulls these days, Swirsky still thinks very highly of his decade as the voice of the Toronto Raptors and as a sports talk host at The Fan SportsRadio there. He really believes that the Jays will create headlines and put baseball back on the map if they made such a run at the controversial Guillen.


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Then Chuck Swirsky is an idiot. Toronto would be a horrible fit. They're trying to run that operation somewhat intelligently.

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Then Chuck Swirsky is an idiot. Toronto would be a horrible fit. They're trying to run that operation somewhat intelligently.

As Swirsky would say himself...

"There's vanilla and then there's chocolate."

CH, I don't agree with Swirsky on this one. Quite frankly, other than when the Jays won it all in 1993, I can't remember the last time they were relevant, let alone a box office draw in recent years.

There have been a lot of empty seats and the Blue Jays want out of what's now called the Rogers Centre. That was supposed to be part of the appeal of hiring Ozzie for the Miami Marlins though. The new ballpark, I mean...Look what happened... :oops:


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The Blue Jays are doomed by division alignment and a world where the Yankees and Red Sox exist stratospheres above everyone else. I hope things get better for them, but they do have to get out of the Skydome. I can't imagine that being a good place to watch a game.

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Theo should hire Ozzie.

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The Blue Jays are doomed by division alignment and a world where the Yankees and Red Sox exist stratospheres above everyone else. I hope things get better for them, but they do have to get out of the Skydome. I can't imagine that being a good place to watch a game.

That's part of the problem, CH. The Yankees & Red Sox have played this "Anything you can do, I can do better" stuff for quite sometime, while the Rays keep losing FAs because nobody goes to their games in St. Petersburg. Yet the Rays continue to win & compete like their big market counterparts on the diamond.

Until the Orioles took the Yanks to Game 5 in the American League Division Series, you had to go back to 1997 for the last time Baltimore was a playoff team. As for the Blue Jays, it's been quite sometime since they were relevant, too. Once upon a time, SkyDome (now the Rogers Centre) was as tough a ticket to get as when the Indians opened Jacobs Field (now Progressive Field) in Cleveland as a centerpiece for baseball. These days, not so much.


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The Skydome, much like Comiskey, had the misfortune of going modern right before everyone went neo-retro. At least they had like three good years where it was cutting-edge to watch bloop hits bounce like superballs on the astroturf inside a giant concrete vagina.

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Ozzie should take over the Spanish Announce Table for the WWE.



Ozzie should take over Venezuela.

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THe sad part is Ozzie will see it as getting paid for 3 years for having to do nothing when in reality someone is willing to pay him for three years to stay away from their team.

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He's a Dick and you all know it. Who wants him back on the Socks? No one. You all supported a fuckhead for years and now he realizes that be had it pretty good here where no one asked him to act like a decent person and actual manager and no sod fan ever would question him. Good riddance. I suppose this is all ken Williams fault. I hope onney and ozney have prepaid twitter accounts since they will spend plenty of the winter blaming everyone but the old boy.

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I'm absolutely shocked by this. The only thing more shocking than Ozzie getting fired in Miami is Bobby Valentine getting fired in Boston. Who could have ever seen this coming.


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Losing the players on his team. Losing the confidence of management. Pissing off fans before the season. Thas just ozzie being ozzie. Too bad he didn't win a world series down there so he could milk that for a couple years like he did here. Next stop--white socks fan fest where you can blow ozzie for an extra hundred bucks. For 200 you can watch hawk blow him.

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I was shocked when I heard this. Despite his big mouth,I remember in 2005 how he refused to celebrate with his players,saying "It was their time". He seemed like he loved his job back then,but as the years moved further away from that success,he became angrier and talked more nonsense. His sons getting involved in Sox business didn't help. I think the Marlins job was similar to Ditka moving to the Saints. I think he will get some kind of commentator job.

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