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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:18 pm 
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I bid snipe manually. Every auction that I have won on Ebay was on a bid within the last 10 seconds. I cant help the dopes who bid 20 times on an item, not realizing that they are just bidding themselves up.


Except you can't bid yourself up. You can increase your max bid if you're winning, but that doesn't increase the current price at which you're winning.



Unless the seller is bidding on his own item and driving you up.


You can't bid on your own item.

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 Post subject: Re: Bid Sniping on eBay
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I bid snipe manually. Every auction that I have won on Ebay was on a bid within the last 10 seconds. I cant help the dopes who bid 20 times on an item, not realizing that they are just bidding themselves up.


Except you can't bid yourself up. You can increase your max bid if you're winning, but that doesn't increase the current price at which you're winning.



Unless the seller is bidding on his own item and driving you up.


You can't bid on your own item.



You're kidding, aren't you?

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 Post subject: Re: Bid Sniping on eBay
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I don't know what you're saying. Can I make up a fake eBay name and bid on my item? Yes. Can I bid on the item I'm selling with the same username for both? I would hope eBay has a policy in place that disallows that.

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I don't know what you're saying. Can I make up a fake eBay name and bid on my item? Yes. Can I bid on the item I'm selling with the same username for both? I would hope eBay has a policy in place that disallows that.

eBay can track things you cannot, like IP addresses used, login and bid times, as well as consistency of occurrences from item to item. They don't need to have proof to shut an account down - they only need a suspicion.



Guys bidding their own items in is rampant on ebay. And in every vendue you might find anywhere in the world.

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 Post subject: Re: Bid Sniping on eBay
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I don't know what you're saying. Can I make up a fake eBay name and bid on my item? Yes. Can I bid on the item I'm selling with the same username for both? I would hope eBay has a policy in place that disallows that.

eBay can track things you cannot, like IP addresses used, login and bid times, as well as consistency of occurrences from item to item. They don't need to have proof to shut an account down - they only need a suspicion.



Guys bidding their own items in is rampant on ebay. And in every vendue you might find anywhere in the world.


:lol: Ok, JORR.

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 Post subject: Re: Bid Sniping on eBay
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redskingreg wrote:
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I don't know what you're saying. Can I make up a fake eBay name and bid on my item? Yes. Can I bid on the item I'm selling with the same username for both? I would hope eBay has a policy in place that disallows that.

eBay can track things you cannot, like IP addresses used, login and bid times, as well as consistency of occurrences from item to item. They don't need to have proof to shut an account down - they only need a suspicion.



Guys bidding their own items in is rampant on ebay. And in every vendue you might find anywhere in the world.


:lol: Ok, JORR.



Okay what? Is it possible you are really that naive?

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 Post subject: Re: Bid Sniping on eBay
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No, JORR, I am not naive. I've bid on thousands of items over the years. I just do not believe, like IMU supported, that this activity is "rampant" on eBay. I absolutely believe that it goes on, but not nearly to the extent that you're implying.

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i don't think so either. At least not the stuff I'm looking at.


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 Post subject: Re: Bid Sniping on eBay
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i don't think so either. At least not the stuff I'm looking at.


Exactly. You should have a general idea of what the "market" dictates for a given item you're bidding on. You also know how much you are willing to spend on it. If the seller bidding on his/her own items is so rampant, his/her bidding would either exceed what you're willing to spend (which is why I say no to second chance offers), or the seller would eventually be outed by eBay.

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 Post subject: Re: Bid Sniping on eBay
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No, JORR, I am not naive. I've bid on thousands of items over the years. I just do not believe, like IMU supported, that this activity is "rampant" on eBay. I absolutely believe that it goes on, but not nearly to the extent that you're implying.


I don't know the exact extent. But I am sure it happens often. I've done it myself. And I've attended countless live auctions and it happened there when it was much trickier. I don't see why ebay would be any different.

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i don't think so either. At least not the stuff I'm looking at.


Exactly. You should have a general idea of what the "market" dictates for a given item you're bidding on. You also know how much you are willing to spend on it. If the seller bidding on his/her own items is so rampant, his/her bidding would either exceed what you're willing to spend (which is why I say no to second chance offers), or the seller would eventually be outed by eBay.



Or more likely, the seller's shill would simply win the auction and the seller would have to eat the fees.

But clearly, if you know what you're willing to pay for something and you're comfortable with it, the practice has no effect on you.

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 Post subject: Re: Bid Sniping on eBay
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JORR, please provide proof of its regularity. You, of all people, state that such large claims cannot be made without some sort of evidence, yes? I have bid on many an item, and I have never once been suspicious of this activity you say is rampant.



How would you know?

An auction is an auction. There are sharks and there are dupes. ebay is just the biggest vendue.

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Just bid what you're willing to pay. Often I will put a low bid in if I am mildly interested in something. That way I can keep track of the bidding and think about how much I want the item.

I've actually had a pretty good track record with eBay. I've won like 50 auctions and only one time do I think the seller kind of screwed me. I won't bid on anything from a seller with less than a 99.8% rating.

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 Post subject: Re: Bid Sniping on eBay
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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i don't think so either. At least not the stuff I'm looking at.


Exactly. You should have a general idea of what the "market" dictates for a given item you're bidding on. You also know how much you are willing to spend on it. If the seller bidding on his/her own items is so rampant, his/her bidding would either exceed what you're willing to spend (which is why I say no to second chance offers), or the seller would eventually be outed by eBay.



Or more likely, the seller's shill would simply win the auction and the seller would have to eat the fees.

But clearly, if you know what you're willing to pay for something and you're comfortable with it, the practice has no effect on you.


So the seller will re-list. Then what? Do the same thing and risk eating the fees twice?

And to your last sentence, exactly. I will usually watch 3-4 of the same item I'm bidding on before I do, so I have a general idea of how much it's "worth."

I think the true answer is somewhere in the middle. I do believe that it happens. Just not as much as you were saying before.

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JORR, please provide proof of its regularity. You, of all people, state that such large claims cannot be made without some sort of evidence, yes? I have bid on many an item, and I have never once been suspicious of this activity you say is rampant.

How would you know?

How would you know?

I'm not the one making outlandish accusations.



If you really think a guy bidding in an item is outlandish, I would suggest you are seriously inexperienced within the world of live auctions.

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If you really think a guy bidding in an item is outlandish, I would suggest you are seriously inexperienced within the world of live auctions.

I'm sure in live auctions this thing happens all the time. If I was running an auction house, I would always have a few plants in the audience to drive up the price on items. If one my guys would get stuck with an item, I would just re-sell it again at the next auction.

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If you really think a guy bidding in an item is outlandish, I would suggest you are seriously inexperienced within the world of live auctions.

I'm sure in live auctions this thing happens all the time. If I was running an auction house, I would always have a few plants in the audience to drive up the price on items. If one my guys would get stuck with an item, I would just re-sell it again at the next auction.

But if you had a regular customer base that came to all of Douchebag's Auctions and they noticed that the same childs small Kerry Kittles jersey was coming up to bid again and again and again they might start to get suspicious.

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JORR, please provide proof of its regularity. You, of all people, state that such large claims cannot be made without some sort of evidence, yes? I have bid on many an item, and I have never once been suspicious of this activity you say is rampant.

How would you know?

How would you know?

I'm not the one making outlandish accusations.



If you really think a guy bidding in an item is outlandish, I would suggest you are seriously inexperienced within the world of live auctions.


I'm sure he meant the "rampant" comment was outlandish, not the actual act.

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If you really think a guy bidding in an item is outlandish, I would suggest you are seriously inexperienced within the world of live auctions.

I'm sure in live auctions this thing happens all the time. If I was running an auction house, I would always have a few plants in the audience to drive up the price on items. If one my guys would get stuck with an item, I would just re-sell it again at the next auction.



Absolutely. And it's that much easier to do in a large mostly anonymous vendue like ebay. At a horse auction, I generally know everyone there. I imagine it's the same in fine art, etc. Everyone knows the players. It doesn't take much to have your buddy bid a few extra bucks on an ebay item. The only risk is you get stuck with it. But that isn't that much risk since you can always tell the underbidder the winner fell through and offer him a second chance.

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I'm sure he meant the "rampant" comment was outlandish, not the actual act.



That's a semantic argument. What is "rampant"? I'm just saying it happens all the time.

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I'm sure he meant the "rampant" comment was outlandish, not the actual act.



That's a semantic argument. What is "rampant"? I'm just saying it happens all the time.


That's not a semantic argument. Those are two very different things. I usually like your stuff, JORR, but it's as if you forgot to take your Thursday meds.

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That's a semantic argument. What is "rampant"? I'm just saying it happens all the time.

You used the term first.

If subjective terms have no estimated meaning any longer, The Walking Dead is the single greatest program in the history of television.

The Chicago Cubs are the most historic franchise in all of international professional sports.



Yeah, I used it. I stand by it. But it isn't a precise measurement. None of us have any idea how often it actually occurs, but we do know it happens. I've done it myself. And while I may be the smartest guy on this board, I highly doubt I'm the smartest guy on ebay.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I think I started following you on Twitter today. Don't let me down.

Aw crap. I don't do well under pressure.

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JORR, what items do you have in mind? I think I use it differently. It's like a big garage sale for me. I'm trying to get what I think of as a deal and nothing I buy is really expensive. Most of the time I'm trying to pay under retail price. Maybe you could do it for some items more than others though.


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