Were you trying to make an inside joke for the lawyers on the board?

by the time a case gets to the supreme court there are well thought out arguments on either side of a case and plenty of supporting opinins from groups with a stake in the outcome. That does not even take into consideration the truth that they only have to take the cases they want to rule on.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

The President at last count was winning the popular vote by 3,000,000.

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No I was pretty serious. I am not an expert on the tons of protective laws there are but when I think of this I think about the stupid abortion debate in presidential elections. For what like nearly 40 years the supreme court has said roe v. wade was the decision and I can't recall even one serious challenge made at the federal level by a President. Yet every single cycle they make a huge straw man issue. In that 40 years states have fought about the conditions of abortion, time limits, who pays and so on. I think like this many things can be worked out at the state level and should.

Marriage might also be one that is a waste of a fight. The only law in this land should be that two people of whatever mix can have a civil union with all the rights that entails. The marriage part thing should only be a ceremony people can take on their own in whatever venue they like. Eventually, all these state cases will get to the supreme and this likely will be the case. Why a federal election bothers with it is just grandstanding.

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Elections have consequences.

Roe v. Wade is a weak decision. It really isn't a decision at all. They recognized a balancing act between mother's and child's rights with no child's rights until it was able to survive independant of the mother. We are getting to the point where survival independant of the mother can occur fairly soon after conception which will lead to de facto nullification of the ability to abort. The decision is pretty much ripe for an update, so you can see where those who care about these things find a battle ground.

I don't understand why it is allowed to dominate the discussion. Prosperity reduces so many of the ills people find with society and that should always be the focus.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

In 2015 when the next Star Wars comes out, Mark Hamill will be the same age as Alec Guiness was in the original.

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Black "born agains" are socially conservative yes, but that's where the similarities end. The remaining differences I would think would prevent this from happening in my lifetime.

Additionally, and I admit I may be getting my head out over my skis on this one, but I would guess that neither group (really) sees the others' evangelical faith as genuine, making synergy difficult.

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This. I'm socially liberal and pro-science. Eliminate politicizing morality and focus on economy and foreign policy issues and you have me listening. Which is significantly better than they have done since I started voting.

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I think the parties just don't plan well long term. If the Rs went more socially moderate this election I don't think they would have won, there'd be too much push back, but if they went more socially moderate a decade or 2 ago they'd have won this election easily. Now all sorts of things would probably be different so that we wouldn't have had the exact conditions of this election if they did that, but it would certainly be easier for a socially moderate candidate not to be forced so far to the right that they would lose a winnable election.

Are you finding evidence of recent historical republican successes in those areas?

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

No, but I'd at least listen to what they have to say and that's better than where they are now on my radar.

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We had a really good run.

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Not the fat ones.

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Remember the Crusades? That was a good time. The pillaging, the Anglocentrism, the laughs...

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I don't remember half the time if I'm hiding or I'm lost

Ah, you people and your fucking 'facts' .... everyone knows the country wanted Mitt because, got-damn, look at all that acerage covered by Red.

(ITT: political hacks and their subsequent dumb-fuckery)

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I remember one time I was sailing round the Cape of Good Hope with Da Gama and his crew and we just raped so many villagers they didnt know what hit them.

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Curly Howard, Babe Ruth, John Candy, Frank Coztansa, and Mangino beg to differ.

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The great thing about it is, back in the White Men days, when you raped, you knew the woman wouldn't get pregnant...unless she enjoyed it, which of course she did because we were White Men!

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Puerto Rico used to have a full on terrorist network in the hopes of breaking away from the US. Now, they figure they might as well join the majority so the Mexicans don't have all the fun.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

The first time some old Republican interchanges Puerto Ricans and Mexicans thinking they are the same thing it is gonna be on. I for one cant wait to see it.

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Biden has just as good a chance at doing this as anybody else.

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Well yeah, I'm just waiting for it from the GOP since they are going to try to connect to the Latino vote after this last trouncing.

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Marco Rubio is warming up...

Does he count as a Latino?

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

We ran everything. We paid off cops. We paid off lawyers. We paid off judges. Everybody had their hand out and it was all for the taking

And now....its all over

Today, everything is different. There's no action. I have to wait around like everyone else.

Republicans need to nominate the everyman.

Mike North?

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Sure. The Bookie Priest bit would lock down the Evangelicals.

Well, it would be troublesome to run Hilary against him. Granted, she would have the first-woman thing going for her, but, it would still be a jolting role reversal, with the Democrats running the old white person and the Republicans running the young ethnic hipster.

Actually I take that back. While it would indeed be a bit of a role reversal, it would not be troublesome for Democrats. The more I keep hearing about how Republicans need to run someone black or Hispanic, the more I realize how foolish that would be. It won't work, because no matter who it is, that person will be perceived as a token. The racist tag is one that really can't be shaken off. It's a charge that has no credible retort.

Republicans actually have more Hispanics in elected office than Democrats, but that has had no positive effect in national voting. Condoleezza Rice has been ridiculed and mocked by the left, as was Herman Cain, and Colin Powell was called an Uncle Tom until he endorsed Obama. Personally, I think Rubio is great, but if he were nominated, I would put the over-under at about 3 days before some Republican Senatorial candidate proudly referred to him as Mexican, and it would all go downhill from there.

Abortion was hardly a dominant discussion in this Presidential go around. Birth control became the issue when the Dems realized that the country is waking up on some level to the ills of abortion and they needed a new rallying cry for women voters.

A country that can't be trusted to defend their weakest citizens can't be trusted to look out for the best interests of the rest. It's a principle introduced to the world by the Semitic people around 5700 years ago. When you take away the rights of a class of people, what stops a government from going after yours next.

And your final paragraph GD is so demonstrably false that I am surprised you hit submit. We live in the most prosperous society in the world. And have been that society for quite a long time too. We have ills that other countries wouldn't think of.

The second leading cause of death among 18-34 year olds is suicide in this country.

Marriages fail at a 50% clip.

We are continually spending far more on education than any other country and turning out less educated citizens.

All those suburban kids getting off the Edens and going south on Cicero, or getting off the Eisenhower and going North on Cicero are there for heroin. And they are from incredibly "prosperous" homes.

And the list goes on and on.

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