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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:55 am 
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Actually I take that back. While it would indeed be a bit of a role reversal, it would not be troublesome for Democrats. The more I keep hearing about how Republicans need to run someone black or Hispanic, the more I realize how foolish that would be. It won't work, because no matter who it is, that person will be perceived as a token. The racist tag is one that really can't be shaken off. It's a charge that has no credible retort.

Republicans actually have more Hispanics in elected office than Democrats, but that has had no positive effect in national voting. Condoleezza Rice has been ridiculed and mocked by the left, as was Herman Cain, and Colin Powell was called an Uncle Tom until he endorsed Obama. Personally, I think Rubio is great, but if he were nominated, I would put the over-under at about 3 days before some Republican Senatorial candidate proudly referred to him as Mexican, and it would all go downhill from there.


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No I was pretty serious. I am not an expert on the tons of protective laws there are but when I think of this I think about the stupid abortion debate in presidential elections. For what like nearly 40 years the supreme court has said roe v. wade was the decision and I can't recall even one serious challenge made at the federal level by a President. Yet every single cycle they make a huge straw man issue. In that 40 years states have fought about the conditions of abortion, time limits, who pays and so on. I think like this many things can be worked out at the state level and should.

Marriage might also be one that is a waste of a fight. The only law in this land should be that two people of whatever mix can have a civil union with all the rights that entails. The marriage part thing should only be a ceremony people can take on their own in whatever venue they like. Eventually, all these state cases will get to the supreme and this likely will be the case. Why a federal election bothers with it is just grandstanding.


Roe v. Wade is a weak decision. It really isn't a decision at all. They recognized a balancing act between mother's and child's rights with no child's rights until it was able to survive independant of the mother. We are getting to the point where survival independant of the mother can occur fairly soon after conception which will lead to de facto nullification of the ability to abort. The decision is pretty much ripe for an update, so you can see where those who care about these things find a battle ground.

I don't understand why it is allowed to dominate the discussion. Prosperity reduces so many of the ills people find with society and that should always be the focus.


Abortion was hardly a dominant discussion in this Presidential go around. Birth control became the issue when the Dems realized that the country is waking up on some level to the ills of abortion and they needed a new rallying cry for women voters.

A country that can't be trusted to defend their weakest citizens can't be trusted to look out for the best interests of the rest. It's a principle introduced to the world by the Semitic people around 5700 years ago. When you take away the rights of a class of people, what stops a government from going after yours next.

And your final paragraph GD is so demonstrably false that I am surprised you hit submit. We live in the most prosperous society in the world. And have been that society for quite a long time too. We have ills that other countries wouldn't think of.

The second leading cause of death among 18-34 year olds is suicide in this country.

Marriages fail at a 50% clip.

We are continually spending far more on education than any other country and turning out less educated citizens.

All those suburban kids getting off the Edens and going south on Cicero, or getting off the Eisenhower and going North on Cicero are there for heroin. And they are from incredibly "prosperous" homes.

And the list goes on and on.

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The better education and environment you are raised in the better off you will be. I really don't believe this is up for debate. Of course we can find exceptions to all rules.


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[The second leading cause of death among 18-34 year olds is suicide in this country.

Marriages fail at a 50% clip.

We are continually spending far more on education than any other country and turning out less educated citizens.

All those suburban kids getting off the Edens and going south on Cicero, or getting off the Eisenhower and going North on Cicero are there for heroin. And they are from incredibly "prosperous" homes.

And the list goes on and on.


1. That is a very misleading statistic. There are not a lot of things for people between the age of 18-34 to die of. Car accidents and cancer are about the only other common death mechanisms.

2. I find it hard to believe we are spending more on education than other countries when so many other countries have free schooling all the way through the university level. The US is far more educated than it was 30+ years ago.

3. Purely anecdotal...and you can get off the Edens and get on Cicero to get to my house. Anyway, teens in just about every society have self destructive behaviors, whether that is drinking, drugs, etc. It is difficult to progress into adulthood psychologically without some behavior.

Your issue is abortion. Stick to it in the discussion. Level of affluence has a direct relationship to the percentage of abortions.

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good dolphin wrote:
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[The second leading cause of death among 18-34 year olds is suicide in this country.

Marriages fail at a 50% clip.

We are continually spending far more on education than any other country and turning out less educated citizens.

All those suburban kids getting off the Edens and going south on Cicero, or getting off the Eisenhower and going North on Cicero are there for heroin. And they are from incredibly "prosperous" homes.

And the list goes on and on.


1. That is a very misleading statistic. There are not a lot of things for people between the age of 18-34 to die of. Car accidents and cancer are about the only other common death mechanisms.

2. I find it hard to believe we are spending more on education than other countries when so many other countries have free schooling all the way through the university level. The US is far more educated than it was 30+ years ago.

3. Purely anecdotal...and you can get off the Edens and get on Cicero to get to my house. Anyway, teens in just about every society have self destructive behaviors, whether that is drinking, drugs, etc. It is difficult to progress into adulthood psychologically without some behavior.

Your issue is abortion. Stick to it in the discussion. Level of affluence has a direct relationship to the percentage of abortions.




There are hundreds of thousands of 18-34 year olds that committed suicide in this country in the last ten years that would otherwise be alive. It's not like they would be dying from something else.

US students score 23 in math and 31st in science among the 65 largest industrialized nations. It's a problem that's getting worse. Throwing more money at education hasn't solved the problem.

The kids getting off the Edens aren't going to your house. They are going to buy a drug that "prosperity" wasn't the cure for. They are most often from affluent suburbs. And we have millions of kids already in this country on pschotropic drugs that are struggling with the move to adulthood.

And while affluence has a relationship to the amount of teen age abortions, a disproportionately high number are done on black or Hispanic women. And regardless of race, abortion rates are linked to hard times usually like unemployment or abandonment by a partner.

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GD sells heroin?


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GD sells heroin?


That's how rumors get started.

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GD sells heroin?


Not yet...but if the market will come to me?

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 Post subject: Re: White Men
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[. And regardless of race, abortion rates are linked to hard times usually like unemployment or abandonment by a partner.


but that is my point. Work on the economy and the unemployment rate gets lower. I would think it would affect the divorce rate as well, but that may just be a cultural shift.

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According to this, the recession caused the divorce rate to drop. ...few employment opportunities and reductions in the value of marital assets – particularly homes – had forced couples to remain together. Then, as the economy improved so did the divorce rate.

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Posted by: Adam Belz under Business trends, Economics Updated: November 12, 2012 - 3:03 PM

The national divorce rate fell rapidly in the early years of the Great Recession, but don’t get the idea that economic hardship saved struggling marriages, a new study from Marquette University says.

Divorce rates have been falling for years, but starting in 2007, rates began to fall more quickly.

“The rate of decrease accelerated during this current recession,” said Abdur Chowdhury, an economics professor at Marquette who authored the study. “The drop was more significant than we have seen in previous recessions.”

After rising from 16.4 per 1,000 married women in 2005 to 17.5 per 1,000 married women in 2007, divorce rates in the U.S. fell to 16.9 per 1,000 married women in 2008, the study showed. The study, titled “‘Til Recession Do Us Part: Booms, Busts, and Divorce in the United States,” will be published in the journal Applied Economics Letters in early 2013.

Chowdhury used a statistical model and data for 45 states and found that from 1978-2009 the higher the level of disposable income, the higher the incidence of divorce.

Chowdhury argued that during the Great Recession, few employment opportunities and reductions in the value of marital assets – particularly homes – had forced couples to remain together.

“While we heard some anecdotal evidence of this during the recession, this study shows statistically how economic crises impact marriage and family, as well as glimpses into why,” Chowdhury said in a statement.

But as the economy started to slowly recover in 2009 and 2010, pent-up demand for divorce was released and the rates increased.

“It maybe delayed the divorce,” Chowdhury said of the recession.

Cathy Johnston, a marriage and family therapist in Uptown, said she’s seen the same phenomenon, but it’s not necessarily a good thing for couples.

“With the economy’s downturn, people are getting divorced less frequently, from what I’ve seen,” she said.

But economics can force a separated couple to stay in the same home, which can be unhealthy for them and their children. The conflict of the relationship often just continues.

"I'm seeing that a lot," Johnston said.

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 Post subject: Re: White Men
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I had heard this but never found any corresponding data.

Remember your Johnny Taylor...Cheaper to keep her"

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or good old Annie from It's a Wonderful Life who donated the money she was saving to get a divorce

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or good old Annie from It's a Wonderful Life who donated the money she was saving to get a divorce


...if ever she got a husband.

Sentimental hogwash!!

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Marco Rubio is warming up...

Does he count as a Latino?


If they go with Rubio, the Dems will just counter with Julian Castro. Would be a landslide for the Democrats.


Well, it would be troublesome to run Hilary against him. Granted, she would have the first-woman thing going for her, but, it would still be a jolting role reversal, with the Democrats running the old white person and the Republicans running the young ethnic hipster.


Bingo...

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Unbingo. You know who is an even bigger and more sought after voting block than Latino voters? That's right, it's women.

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That might be tricky. Do the black and hispanic women vote the women issue or their race/ethnic persuasion?

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Unbingo. You know who is an even bigger and more sought after voting block than Latino voters? That's right, it's women.


Women vote for who their husbands tell them to.

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That might be tricky. Do the black and hispanic women vote the women issue or their race/ethnic persuasion?


Black and Hispanics vote Democrat regardless of Race. Any minority running as a Republican is considered a race traitor.

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Black and Hispanics vote Democrat regardless of Race. Any minority running as a Republican is considered a race traitor.


Thanks for clearing that one up for me....

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#AnxietyTroopers When I say "not about ✈'s" I mean my absence, this time, hasn't been about the way I TRAVEL. It's about ACCOUNTABILITY...

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