Grossman sucked, always has always will..just because you win the game does not mean the QB played well..the Bears won in spite of that scrub Wrecks...Orton is slightly better than Rex..Cutler slightly better than Orton..none are very good..I want the bears to sever ties with jay when his deal finishes next year.

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24Guy he didn't get sacked last game and had all day to throw but he still ended up with 40 yards passing in the 1st half. I remind you they were facing the best pass rusher in football. They're not max protecting on every play either. I see more empty backfield plays than max protect. I would say 1/3 of the sacks are on him. He routinely holds the ball too long. He suckage in the passing game hurts the running game and forces the defense to cover his ass. It's really indisputable at this point. We've seen it for 4 years now. Every year there was a new excuse. Now with him having everything he wanted EXCEPT 15 seconds to throw the ball and a mulligan for all his turnovers he's still sucking. This may be his worst season even though he was primarily responsible for 5 or 6 losses his first season here.

The Bears are 1-6 in the last 2 seasons without him because Forte was also out and they didn't have a college caliber QB on their roster. Even if you don't recall many of the games over the last few seasons you can go back and look at the box scores. Even on a good percentage of his touchdowns the defense sets it up. It's not hard to score when you're on your opponents 30 or in the red zone and he's near the bottom of the league when it comes to that. He's Tony Romo 2.0.

Cutler needs to play better.

Nas, you seem to ignore everything else wrong with the offense though. The Oline has been putrid for the most part all season. Marshall is the only dependable WR on this team and even saying that he has dropped at least 2 (maybe 3) TD passes. The tight ends might as well not even be out there. Matt Forte got his money, and overall has had a pretty poor season.

The QB play needs to be better, but there are many many problems on this offense that would still be glaring issues for the Bears even if Cutler was playing at a pro bowl level.

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There are no problems on offense. We are 7-2! Go Bears!

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It all starts with him. He has everything he wants and he's still having his worst season. Forte has played on 1 leg for most of the season. They really couldn't feature him because of that. He's still been pretty good. The line hasn't looked like the Patriots O-line in the early 2000's but it hasn't been as bad as some of you say it's been. I've heard every excuse in the world for why Cutler isn't playing the way we all expected he would. Will the absence of Knox be next?

Nas, I didn't make a single excuse for Cutler there. I am pointing out that there are other problems with the offense that you seem to ignore. You want to make Cutler out to be the scapegoat and that is just flat out not the case.

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I'm not ignoring them at all. I'm just focused on what I see as the primary problem. When the season started I thought Cutler and the offense would carry this team because he got pretty much everything he asked for. That hasn't happened yet. This team would be under .500 if the defense wasn't so dominant.

You know who else has a shitty line..Aaron rodgers..and he looks like the mvp this year ...Cutler is just not that good..too many dumb throws and ints..And Forte should have been franchised.. he will never be a Ap or Foster..he is above average npt great.

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What is with this repeated line about how Cutler has everything he wants? This comment is such bullshit.

Everyone in this town wanted Martz gone, now all of a sudden it was just Cutler? And judging by the fact that Martz is back on TV and Turner hasn't been an OC since the Bears dumped him,the rest of the NFL doesn't seem to think highly of these two guys anymore either.

And did Cutler want a piss poor pass blocking offensive line? The worst tight ends in the league? Devin Hester starting at wide receiver?

The over the top bashing of Cutler here is ridiculous, people want to go back to the days when Grossman was the QB and his superior leadership? (and i was a bigger defender of Grossman than most).

You know what, I changed my mind, the Bears should get rid of Cutler, this offense will become a big boy offense once he is gone. Then this offensive line will pass block like the Dolphins of the mid 80's, Devin Hester will become Steve Smith and Kellen Davis will become Jimmy Graham.

Then we can bring back Jim Miller, Grossman, Orton, Dave Krieg,Chris Chandler and any of the QB's we have seen,because Jay Cutler is a bad QB and we want to back to the glory days of 7-9/9-7 football.

Bear fans have fucken issues

Those strawmen burn up real good. Burn them strawmen up, Enigma! Burn them to the ground!

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Urlacher is a Hall of Famer,Peppers is a Hall of Famer, Briggs is on the verge and people on this board are talking about Tillman going, yet the Bear offense was supposed to carry this team?

Please explain this to me.

They don't have to carry the team. They could be league-average or not fucking awful. I don't think "not fucking awful" is too high of a standard to expect.

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The fact that Cutler is getting outclassed by Andy Dalton, Carson Palmer, and Russell Wilson is unacceptable.

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They certainly should be better, and Cutler certainly can be better. But in the 7 wins Cutler has 11 TD and 4 interceptions. In the two losses he has 1 TD and 6 INT. And the Houston game was in downpour with a lot of wind, it wasn't like Schaub was lighting it up either.

But Cutler can improve,but this offense has issues all over the place, not just Cutler. The people who though that this offense would carry the team had unrealistic expecations. And again where was Forte on Sunday? Sixteen carries 38 yards doesn't cut it either,but I guess running backs are the teflon men on this team.

Which is not my point but carry on.

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With Kreutz gone he took over as the leader of the offense
He wanted Jeremy Bates
He wanted Marshall
He wanted Jeffery
He wanted Tice to replace Martz
He wanted the offense they had in Denver
He wanted the ability to call audibles at the line
He wanted to work out of the shotgun more
He didn't want the 7 step drops
He wanted the TE's to be apart of the offense instead of primarily blocking like Martz had them doing
He wanted Forte back
HE WANTED HESTER TO START opposite of Marshall

I'm probably missing a couple of things. As I said before there isn't a team in football where everything is perfect. Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a RB and his offensive line may be worse but he still finds a way to get it done. He also doesn't have a defense as good as the Bears' that can get him the ball at the opponents 30 yard line. Cutler is out of excuses.

I get what you're saying overall, but using Palmer as an example is probably a bad thing.

He was a #1 overall draft pick.

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So was JaMarcus Russell. Carson Palmer isn't good right now.

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1. Cutler is favorable to JaMarcus Russell, so that's besides the point in this thread. But it doesn't hold much weight to say that Cutler isn't performing as well as a #1 overall pick.
2. It's not the best stat, but Palmer has a favorable passer rating to the like of Stafford, Eli, Luck, Newton, and a few other decent names. And Palmer plays on a horrendous team with worse pieces around him than Cutler has.

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I'd be stunned if Cutler wanted Tice to be OC. He may have played nice with him since he knew Tice would be around no matter who the OC was, but no way he'd want that dope as his OC.

He didn't get sacked in the Houston game, but there's a huge price to pay when you max protect as often as they do (I think they're doing that more than you are admitting). But you are right - even though I think the reason he holds the ball too long is because nobody is open (hard to prove though; I don't have "all 22" or whatever it's called), it is true that he never, ever throws the ball away. So yes, a lot of the hits he takes are unnecessary in that regard.

That's true they didn't have Forte at the end of last year, but I'll submit that in Cutler's entire career here, never has a backup QB come into the game, and later your reaction is, wow, that's what we've been missing with Cutler. They're always decidedly worse. Granted that probably just speaks badly about the backups, but still, I would expect to see *some* level of success from a backup if Cutler is managing the offense that badly. We'll see how good Campbell looks next week.

But I will agree that at some point, you have to cut bait and go with someone else. Not sure I would renew the contract. But, when we end up with the next Blaine Gabbert, the Cutler years will look like a golden era. I imagine a lot of comments starting with "at least with Cutler..."

SHUT YOUR FILTHY WHORE MOUTH

The line looked good because Marino knew when to get rid of the fucking ball.

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Nobody is going to argue that past qb's were not awful and Cutler is better..but he is still not good enough to build around..and he is missing too many games to be reliable for the future..draft a guy every other year until you find a real franchise qb..Cambell will be fine he is the best backup in the league and could start for ten teams..I don't see much of a dropoff from Cutler to Cambell.

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That's true. I included him because he was nearly retired.

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Im not sure he's being outplayed by those guys over a season

He's an 85 rtg type qb.


I dont think they'll franchise him. They'll be rebuilding at that point.

Dear Jay,

Come back. Black Cutler sucks.

Regards,
Terry's Peeps

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Agreed.

Teach the D to at least be decent again too.

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+1 on the "come back" request