It is currently Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:55 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 32 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:32 pm
Posts: 11750
pizza_Place: ***
That's what these fun little debates boil down too. Luckily, Phil Emery gets to make that call either next offseason or (more likely) this one. Fortunately, we know from Dewskie that we can trust in Phil Emery because he has a long track record of success from his time with the perennially successful Chiefs. But you, too, can play Phil Emery. How much do you pay Jay Cutler in comparison to the benchmark?

_________________
Fire Phil Emery


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:57 am
Posts: 20709
Location: Westmont
pizza_Place: Tony Weed's
1039 Oliver Ave, Aurora
(630) 892-2772
1. Peyton Manning, Broncos – $18,000,000
2. Michael Vick, Eagless – $12,500,000
3. Matt Ryan, Falcons – 11,500,000
4. Philip Rivers, Chargers – $10,200,000
5. Aaron Rodgers, Packers – 8,000,000
6. Jay Cutler, Broncos – 7,700,000
7. Joe Flacco, Ravens – 6,760,000
8. Josh Freeman, Buccaneers – 6,585,000
9. Sam Bradford, Rams – 6,000,000
10. Matt Hasselbeck, Titans – 5,500,000

He is already at 7.5 mil. Give him 10 per for 3 years, it will look like a bargain. Maybe he will lead them to consecutive playoff appearances and mix a win or two.

_________________
CSFMB: Home of the small minded
Beardown wrote:
I'm declaring a victory without research.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Here is where we will see the genius of Cliff Stein and Phil Emery. Cutler is obviously a top 3 quarterback but they will sucker him into signing a top 7-3 range contract. The savings will be invested in re-upping mediocre draft picks.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92077
Location: To the left of my post
I don't know how you can seriously consider giving Cutler an extension in the offseason. Can the Bears really invest the whole future of the franchise in him if they expect numbers like this? He's going to demand much more than he is worth.

Let him go in next year and prove that the offense with him can work. Then, threaten to franchise him and offer him a long term deal.

Jay Cutler turns 30 in April. Expecting him to be significantly better than this is just blind hope. Give him next year as one last chance to prove himself. Otherwise, let Arizona sign him and go young. The Bears defense will have lost a ton by then anyways and they can rebuild.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:28 pm
Posts: 29948
Location: SW Burbs
Cutler should not be the 6th highest paid, but there are others on that list that are more out of place than he is. :shock:

_________________
FavreFan wrote:
Im pretty hammered right now.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92077
Location: To the left of my post
donspiracy wrote:
1. Peyton Manning, Broncos – $18,000,000
2. Michael Vick, Eagless – $12,500,000
3. Matt Ryan, Falcons – 11,500,000
4. Philip Rivers, Chargers – $10,200,000
5. Aaron Rodgers, Packers – 8,000,000
6. Jay Cutler, Broncos – 7,700,000
7. Joe Flacco, Ravens – 6,760,000
8. Josh Freeman, Buccaneers – 6,585,000
9. Sam Bradford, Rams – 6,000,000
10. Matt Hasselbeck, Titans – 5,500,000

He is already at 7.5 mil. Give him 10 per for 3 years, it will look like a bargain. Maybe he will lead them to consecutive playoff appearances and mix a win or two.
That list seems really old. How is Drew Brees not on it?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92077
Location: To the left of my post
I also think Cutler starts his demands at $13 million a year and refuses to even listen to anything less.

If Kevin Kolb almost gets that, he will want it. I would guess $15 million a year is what it takes to keep him.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:57 am
Posts: 20709
Location: Westmont
pizza_Place: Tony Weed's
1039 Oliver Ave, Aurora
(630) 892-2772
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
donspiracy wrote:
1. Peyton Manning, Broncos – $18,000,000
2. Michael Vick, Eagless – $12,500,000
3. Matt Ryan, Falcons – 11,500,000
4. Philip Rivers, Chargers – $10,200,000
5. Aaron Rodgers, Packers – 8,000,000
6. Jay Cutler, Broncos – 7,700,000
7. Joe Flacco, Ravens – 6,760,000
8. Josh Freeman, Buccaneers – 6,585,000
9. Sam Bradford, Rams – 6,000,000
10. Matt Hasselbeck, Titans – 5,500,000

He is already at 7.5 mil. Give him 10 per for 3 years, it will look like a bargain. Maybe he will lead them to consecutive playoff appearances and mix a win or two.
That list seems really old. How is Drew Brees not on it?

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/quarterback/

_________________
CSFMB: Home of the small minded
Beardown wrote:
I'm declaring a victory without research.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92077
Location: To the left of my post
It looks like that was just base salary.

This one is average salary.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/2013/average/quarterback/

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I don't know how you can seriously consider giving Cutler an extension in the offseason. Can the Bears really invest the whole future of the franchise in him if they expect numbers like this? He's going to demand much more than he is worth.

Let him go in next year and prove that the offense with him can work. Then, threaten to franchise him and offer him a long term deal.

Jay Cutler turns 30 in April. Expecting him to be significantly better than this is just blind hope. Give him next year as one last chance to prove himself. Otherwise, let Arizona sign him and go young. The Bears defense will have lost a ton by then anyways and they can rebuild.


I agree with everything you said here.

I'm scared.

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
Who gave IB's account info to cgs?

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:52 pm
Posts: 12816
Location: My Pants
pizza_Place: Geo's Pizza
Taking that list of average QB salaries, I would put him right about or below Bradford level at 12-13 mil. He is better than Stafford and Bradford. Romo should probably be getting paid more than Cutler. Let's say he is 7th highest QB.

_________________
The Original Spanky wrote:
I don't like white rappers.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am
Posts: 817
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Kirkwood wrote:
Here is where we will see the genius of Cliff Stein and Phil Emery. Cutler is obviously a top 3 quarterback but they will sucker him into signing a top 7-3 range contract. The savings will be invested in re-upping mediocre draft picks.


Cutler may not be a top 3 QB in his own division. The Bears would be fools to offer him an extension. Let him play it out and actually earn his pay day.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am
Posts: 817
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I also think Cutler starts his demands at $13 million a year and refuses to even listen to anything less.

If Kevin Kolb almost gets that, he will want it. I would guess $15 million a year is what it takes to keep him.


No one would give Cutler $15M a year and the Bears shouldn't either. At best he is worth $10M a year. What has he proven?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:52 pm
Posts: 12816
Location: My Pants
pizza_Place: Geo's Pizza
Makaveli wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I also think Cutler starts his demands at $13 million a year and refuses to even listen to anything less.

If Kevin Kolb almost gets that, he will want it. I would guess $15 million a year is what it takes to keep him.


No one would give Cutler $15M a year and the Bears shouldn't either. At best he is worth $10M a year. What has he proven?


If you pay him more than $10M, you are paying for what you hope he can be with all the right ifs in place. If the o-line is improved, if a reliable, go-to second WR evolves, etc., then Cutler could lead you to a Super Bowl. I can agree with you if you are paying him simply on his current resume.

_________________
The Original Spanky wrote:
I don't like white rappers.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am
Posts: 817
pizza_Place: Giordano's
If you get all those things you could pay Kyle Orton $2M to lead the Bears to a SB. What you're saying is everything has to be perfect around him. By the time the defense will be bad and that will be his new excuse. IIRC the Bears gave him a $30M 2 year extension when he got here. He hasn't earned it.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:52 pm
Posts: 12816
Location: My Pants
pizza_Place: Geo's Pizza
Makaveli wrote:
If you get all those things you could pay Kyle Orton $2M to lead the Bears to a SB. What you're saying is everything has to be perfect around him. By the time the defense will be bad and that will be his new excuse. IIRC the Bears gave him a $30M 2 year extension when he got here. He hasn't earned it.


I don't know about Orton. I'm also not asking for perfection. You are right though, he hasn't earned it yet. I just want to see what he does with some improvements in the team in front of him.

_________________
The Original Spanky wrote:
I don't like white rappers.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
Makaveli wrote:
If you get all those things you could pay Kyle Orton $2M to lead the Bears to a SB. What you're saying is everything has to be perfect around him. By the time the defense will be bad and that will be his new excuse. IIRC the Bears gave him a $30M 2 year extension when he got here. He hasn't earned it.


I don't know about Orton. I'm also not asking for perfection. You are right though, he hasn't earned it yet. I just want to see what he does with some improvements in the team in front of him.

He's on one of the best teams in the NFL despite playing at a league average level. It's hard to ask for a better team around him as a fan.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:03 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
donspiracy wrote:
1. Peyton Manning, Broncos – $18,000,000
2. Michael Vick, Eagless – $12,500,000
3. Matt Ryan, Falcons – 11,500,000
4. Philip Rivers, Chargers – $10,200,000
5. Aaron Rodgers, Packers – 8,000,000
6. Jay Cutler, Broncos – 7,700,000
7. Joe Flacco, Ravens – 6,760,000
8. Josh Freeman, Buccaneers – 6,585,000
9. Sam Bradford, Rams – 6,000,000
10. Matt Hasselbeck, Titans – 5,500,000

He is already at 7.5 mil. Give him 10 per for 3 years, it will look like a bargain. Maybe he will lead them to consecutive playoff appearances and mix a win or two.




Where is Eli? Brady? Brees?

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:07 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Cutler is around the 14-16th best QB so whatever that comes out to...I do not want to see a new deal with him..too injury prone, too many ints.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92077
Location: To the left of my post
Makaveli wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I also think Cutler starts his demands at $13 million a year and refuses to even listen to anything less.

If Kevin Kolb almost gets that, he will want it. I would guess $15 million a year is what it takes to keep him.


No one would give Cutler $15M a year and the Bears shouldn't either. At best he is worth $10M a year. What has he proven?
What had Kevin Kolb proven?

Some team is going to convince themselves that they are a Jay Cutler away from the Super Bowl. The only good thing for the Bears is they have the franchise tag to help limit this. However, that's going to be an expensive franchise tag.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:39 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 102657
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Good play or bad play set aside, you can't think about giving him an extension at all yet simply because of the concussion issues he's had. Who knows how his brain will be affected long term by the shots he's taken in college and the pros. Gotta make sure its as safe as it can be for him to continue to go out there and play on a weekly basis.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's more fun to be a victim
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:40 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92077
Location: To the left of my post
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Good play or bad play set aside, you can't think about giving him an extension at all yet simply because of the concussion issues he's had. Who knows how his brain will be affected long term by the shots he's taken in college and the pros. Gotta make sure its as safe as it can be for him to continue to go out there and play on a weekly basis.
We are 7-2! Why worry about that?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:48 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 102657
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Image

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's more fun to be a victim
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:49 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Good play or bad play set aside, you can't think about giving him an extension at all yet simply because of the concussion issues he's had. Who knows how his brain will be affected long term by the shots he's taken in college and the pros. Gotta make sure its as safe as it can be for him to continue to go out there and play on a weekly basis.
We are 7-2! Why worry about that?

You're an ass :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:40 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:40 pm
Posts: 16488
pizza_Place: Boni Vino
Quote:
Some team is going to convince themselves that they are a Jay Cutler away from the Super Bowl


Which is why Jeff George had multiple chances even after most teams realized he was a bad idea.

_________________
To IkeSouth, bigfan wrote:
Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:48 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79560
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Good play or bad play set aside, you can't think about giving him an extension at all yet simply because of the concussion issues he's had. Who knows how his brain will be affected long term by the shots he's taken in college and the pros. Gotta make sure its as safe as it can be for him to continue to go out there and play on a weekly basis.


Frank, isn't Cutler really the quarterback version of Gavin Floyd?

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am
Posts: 817
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Makaveli wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I also think Cutler starts his demands at $13 million a year and refuses to even listen to anything less.

If Kevin Kolb almost gets that, he will want it. I would guess $15 million a year is what it takes to keep him.


No one would give Cutler $15M a year and the Bears shouldn't either. At best he is worth $10M a year. What has he proven?
What had Kevin Kolb proven?

Some team is going to convince themselves that they are a Jay Cutler away from the Super Bowl. The only good thing for the Bears is they have the franchise tag to help limit this. However, that's going to be an expensive franchise tag.


Guys like Cassel and Kolb got paid because they were young and showed potential in a couple of games. Similar to what Matt Flynn did last season. Cutler will be in his 30's when his contract expires and there's plenty of tape on him. He's only been to the playoffs once and he's only won 1 playoff game. He would be considered a reclamation project. You don't pay reclamation projects $15M a season. Unless he manages to lead this team to a SB victory the Bears would be foolish to offer him $15M a season.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:05 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92077
Location: To the left of my post
$15M is probably overboard. That was my prediction before the season, but Cutler has played so badly he's costing himself a lot of money.

I could see a bidding war between the Jets, Dallas, and Arizona depending on how those situations are after next year. Those three teams are dumb and rich. Well, maybe not Arizona.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 am
Posts: 817
pizza_Place: Giordano's
I could see Arizona even though they believe Skelton is their future. I really can't see Dallas getting rid of Romo for the same guy. Cutler struggles dealing with the Chicago media I seriously doubt he'll want to deal with the media in NY. Didn't the Jets give Sanchez a new deal this offseason?


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 32 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: McCareins_Fan and 23 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group