This thread is useless until we know whether the FBI belonged in the house at all

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If it was a wrong address ting then fine but if it was not then sorry. I don't know about you but the three times I have had a gun pulled on me I hit the ground as fast as I could not run around.

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If my door was kicked in at 6 am I'm pretty sure I'd leave my room and see what the fuck was going on. That's all this 18 year old did.

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True but also the FBI is not being quiet when they are entering like this. They are shouting for people to get on the ground and not to move. They are wearing identifying Vest/windbreakers.

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None of that matters. I guarantee their ROE didn't state "Shoot at whoever doesn't listen to you."

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What about their ROEPER?

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ROE...return on equity? Drop a dime for the misinformed.

Edit. Rules of engagement. I should be in the drinky section.

Rules of Engagement. Sorry.

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how about trained feds take 8 shots and none hit her directly. someone needs practice....

terrorist sleeper cells have cat-like speed and reflexes.

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My guess is there was very low visibility, probably a dark hallway or something. And for some inexplicable reason a lot of people probably think that excuses it. It actually makes it inexcusable to shoot in that situation. You have to have Positive ID. It's not even up for debate. You have to know who/what you're shooting at before you pull the trigger. Even the dumbest redneck I've ever met understands this concept.

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He was shooting at a suspect that he thought was holding a weapon. That would be my guess...

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Yes. And since someone's life is on the line you probably shouldn't be shooting based on a hunch. That's pretty much the entire point of positive identification and why it's been implemented universally in every set of ROE.

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I'm really not surprised at Chas' spin.

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A childhood friend of mine got involved in using and dealing to the point the feds were notified. He etal was moving some serious product apparently. He was living in a rented home in a nice location. An old man next door owned both his home and the home my friend rented. After 20 years of not seeing this person, the friend described the night he was busted as such. It was straight out of a movie. They broke through the windows and doors. They had a helicopter with a spotlight on the house. It was crazy. We hit the floor and heard gun shots outside. They shot the owner and killed the owner when he came out of his own home to find out what was going on. Killed him in his own yard.

In these circumstances my guess is it is easy to get a happy trigger finger. In this case, my friend knew how to use weapons to defend himself, and probably would have (dumbass) if not caught unaware. Feds/Sheriffs/Police have no idea what they are up against. It doesn't justify the action, but it definitely happens. My friend stated that the feds settled out of court with the old man's family for the incident.

That is bullshit FF. You mean to tell me you let the other guy take the first shot?That is how you get killed.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

What that if they went to the correct address,people where told to get down and they kept moving around that shots where fired? Come on OKC

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

It's not bullshit, and the only person who almost got killed here is an innocent 18 year old woman. And positive ID doesn't mean you need to let the other person shoot first you fucking idiot.

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Wow,I bet the guys in your old unit are glad you did not re-up.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Chas hates the military.

Typical liberal.

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