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Eric Adelson from Yahoo! thinks so, apparently.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--jay-cutler-for-mvp--yes--he-deserves-serious-consideration-020935212.html


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That is idiotic. Cutler's 80 QB rating where we can start, there are six QB's with 100 rating. Brady, Manning, RG III way ahead of him. Throw in a vote or 2 for leading rusher AP and Cutler won't finish in the Top 5 of voting.

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Obviously the idea of him actually winning the award is ridiculous.

But he makes some good points, and we have all seen how terrible this team looks the last 2 years without him in the game.

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RFDC wrote:
Obviously the idea of him actually winning the award is ridiculous.

But he makes some good points, and we have all seen how terrible this team looks the last 2 years without him in the game.

That just means he is valuable to the team. Which he is, clearly. But I don't even have to read the article to know its laughable to suggest he is actually more valuable to his team than any other player in the league is to theirs.

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Cool. Thanks for saying the same thing I just did.

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RFDC wrote:
Cool. Thanks for saying the same thing I just did.

You might wanna go reread both posts.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler for MVP?
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RFDC wrote:
Obviously the idea of him actually winning the award is ridiculous.


FavreFan wrote:
But I don't even have to read the article to know its laughable to suggest he is actually more valuable to his team than any other player in the league is to theirs.


We both agree it is laughable and ridiculous to suggest he should win the award.


RFDC wrote:
But he makes some good points, and we have all seen how terrible this team looks the last 2 years without him in the game.


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That just means he is valuable to the team. Which he is, clearly.


We both agree he is clearly valueable to his team.

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I said the premise is laughable and didn't read the article. You said the author had good points. It's just you trying to play both sides against the middle again, whereas I clearly took a side.

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Yes that is exactly what I was doing.

I actually had an opinion from reading the article.

I am sorry you don't read.

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:roll: :roll: at this entire thread Sans RFDC and Don.

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Team MVP, probably. League MVP, not even worth discussing.

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Team MVP, probably. League MVP, not even worth discussing.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler for MVP?
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....which was pretty much RFDC's original point :lol: :lol:

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RFDC wrote:
Obviously the idea of him actually winning the award is ridiculous.

But he makes some good points, and we have all seen how terrible this team looks the last 2 years without him in the game.


No he doesn't. The article is silly.


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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Team MVP, probably. League MVP, not even worth discussing.


Team MVP comes from the defense and Marshall would easily be the offensive MVP.


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Makaveli wrote:
RFDC wrote:
But he makes some good points,


No he doesn't. The article is silly.
Yes he does.

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Chicago is 31-19 with him starting, while his backups are 2-6 (with a 43.0 passer rating).

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And yet the team is inching toward a division title. Only the Atlanta Falcons (10-1) and Texans (10-1) have more wins, and the talent differential between Chicago and those teams on offense is glaring.

Cutler is not the NFL MVP, but there are some good point made in that article.

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Impossible Frank. You are just trying to play both sides without having an opinion. :roll:

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Now that I think about it, any QB that comes back from a career ending neck injury to lead his team to victory after missing only 1 game should be the league MVP.

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In a passing league we're call a guy who has only thrown for more than 188 yards 4 times in his last 10 games and who currently has more turnovers than TD's MVP. It's laughable. Anyone being objective recognizes that the defense in primarily responsible for all of the wins this year and last year. I just went through this a few weeks ago. If you don't feel like looking it up then go read the game recaps. It's funny how we're giving Cutler the Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton argument. Same thing applied back then too. The defense put the team on it's back. That's generally how it's possible to score 30 points and have less than 200 yards in the air.


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Who is calling him MVP? I certainly wasn't. RFDC wasn't. FF definitely wasn't.

He is the most valuable Bear. You can talk to me about his numbers all you want, he was the single biggest reason the Bears won big yesterday.

Forte put the ball on the turf and then got hurt-- again. I'd argue he has been a bigger disappointment this season than Hester. Why don't you beat up Forte for a horrible season, Nas? He got his money and has been a non factor in almost every game this season.

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I thought Cutler was retiring due to a neck injury?

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Who is calling him MVP? I certainly wasn't. RFDC wasn't. FF definitely wasn't.

He is the most valuable Bear. You can talk to me about his numbers all you want, he was the single biggest reason the Bears won big yesterday.

Forte put the ball on the turf and then got hurt-- again. I'd argue he has been a bigger disappointment this season than Hester. Why don't you beat up Forte for a horrible season, Nas? He got his money and has been a non factor in almost every game this season.


He's not the most valuable Bear. He's not the most valuable player on offense. Even Rex Grossman had fewer turnovers than touchdowns. Kyle Orton always did too. No one has been more valuable than the defense and saying he is the single biggest reason the Bears won yesterday is wrong. The Bears scored 30 points and he only had 188 yards. How does that make him the single biggest reason? As usual the defense was the biggest reason. They gave the offense great field position all game. They actually left points on the field and of course Cutler threw at least 1 interception.

I've given Forte a pass because he has been injured. Also he has been consistent his entire career. Cutler has been average at best since he has been a Bear.


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If you sit Marshall in the game yesterday the Bears still win.

If you sit Cutler in the game yesterday the Bears lose.

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RFDC wrote:
If you sit Marshall in the game yesterday the Bears still win.

If you sit Cutler in the game yesterday the Bears lose.


That's foolish. Cutler had all day to throw and had great field position all game. Marshall caught everything in traffic and kept a lot of drives alive with big catches. We're talking about a guy here who has 1 season as a Bear where he threw more TD's than he had turnovers. That was last season and the difference was 3. We're also talking about a guy who has throw for fewer than 200 yards over 20 times as a Bear.


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I've given Forte a pass because he has been injured.
Having a bum ankle has zero effect on a fumble.

Cutler is the most valuable Bear regardless of if you care to admit it or not. Marshall also dropped a TD pass and Kellen Davis dropped two key 3rd down passes. He was right on the money with his throws yesterday. When he plays at that level, this team is one of the best in the NFL. He has to play at that level for the Bears to win the division and make some noise in the playoffs. If he doesn't, the team will ultimately fail.

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I've given Forte a pass because he has been injured.
Having a bum ankle has zero effect on a fumble.

Cutler is the most valuable Bear regardless of if you care to admit it or not. Marshall also dropped a TD pass and Kellen Davis dropped two key 3rd down passes. He was right on the money with his throws yesterday. When he plays at that level, this team is one of the best in the NFL. He has to play at that level for the Bears to win the division and make some noise in the playoffs. If he doesn't, the team will ultimately fail.

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Didn't Cutler throw a pick?


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Makaveli wrote:
RFDC wrote:
If you sit Marshall in the game yesterday the Bears still win.

If you sit Cutler in the game yesterday the Bears lose.


That's foolish. Cutler had all day to throw and had great field position all game. Marshall caught everything in traffic and kept a lot of drives alive with big catches. We're talking about a guy here who has 1 season as a Bear where he threw more TD's than he had turnovers. That was last season and the difference was 3. We're also talking about a guy who has throw for fewer than 200 yards over 20 times as a Bear.


Given what we have seen the last 2 weeks, you really think Jason Campbell would have won that game yesterday?

I am not saying Marshall was not important and he has had a real nice year, but Cutler is still more valuable.

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