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I'd hope Doeren wouldn't make the same mistake as Kill and leave a good team for a conference doormat.

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Since 1997, the era which you say has proven that Purdue is better than the "blob", Minnesota has 44 conference wins. Purdue has 50.
A difference of......... (.4) wins per year. Totally distinguishes them from the blob school.
Something seemed way off about this. So, I "reread the thread" and saw that I posted that Purdue has 66 wins in conference since 1997, not 50. That's a difference of 22, or 1.46 wins per year. So yeah, that's a big difference.


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And Minnesota has better facilities, isn't 3rd fiddle in it's own state, going to a bowl game this year.........
:lol: Minnesota has a better stadium, but marginally better facilities as a whole, Purdue is 2nd fiddle, not 3rd, and Purdue is going to a bowl game too.

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Tradition is an important element in college football.


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Minnesota is a worse program.


Of course it is. But I think you're wrong about Michigan State. I would consider them a notch above Purdue, Iowa, and, Illinois.
Michigan State is probably better, but I don't think it's a massive difference.

Even the best MSU coaches have topped out at about a .600 winning percentage in conference play. That's better than most schools, but not dominant either.

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I'd hope Doeren wouldn't make the same mistake as Kill and leave a good team for a conference doormat.

Sometimes you just have to seize the moment.

Booo. :lol:

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Since 1997, the era which you say has proven that Purdue is better than the "blob", Minnesota has 44 conference wins. Purdue has 50.
A difference of......... (.4) wins per year. Totally distinguishes them from the blob school.
Something seemed way off about this. So, I "reread the thread" and saw that I posted that Purdue has 66 wins in conference since 1997, not 50. That's a difference of 22, or 1.46 wins per year. So yeah, that's a big difference.

Sorry. The site I looked at didn't include this year. So it's 53 wins since 1997. Those are the glory days, remember, that you hand picked to make your case. Those are the best years in Purdue's history, the one that have made them come out from several decades of being an admitted doormat.

They are a bottom-third team in the Big Ten in pretty much anyway you look at it from this point back. They are in the "blob" of the bottom 4 for sure from this point moving forward, there is no question about that.

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Sorry. The site I looked at didn't include this year. So it's 53 wins since 1997. Those are the glory days, remember, that you hand picked to make your case. Those are the best years in Purdue's history, the one that have made them come out from several decades of being an admitted doormat.
No, it's 66. Joe Tiller alone had 53 Big Ten wins. Danny Hope had 13. You are using a bad site. I kind of know about Purdue football, and you are way off here. Can you post what site you are using?
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They are a bottom-third team in the Big Ten in pretty much anyway you look at it from this point back. They are in the "blob" of the bottom 4 for sure from this point moving forward, there is no question about that.
I disagree. They were average the past 15 years, average this year, and the outlook looks fairly bright for them going forward. I guess we'll see. Your coach obviously thinks they have a lot to offer because he's shown a ton of interest in them.

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Sorry. The site I looked at didn't include this year. So it's 53 wins since 1997. Those are the glory days, remember, that you hand picked to make your case. Those are the best years in Purdue's history, the one that have made them come out from several decades of being an admitted doormat.
No, it's 66. Joe Tiller alone had 53 Big Ten wins. Danny Hope had 13. You are using a bad site. I kind of know about Purdue football, and you are way off here. Can you post what site you are using?

Now you want to include 1997 too? You're jumping timeframes and killing your credibility here. :lol: :wink:

Purdue is a bottom feeder in that conference and pretty much always has been. If anybody that doesn't have the name "Boilermaker" in their login wants to convince me that they aren't, I'd probably be more willing to listen.

Still find it interesting that you think Purdue is a better job than Michigan State or Iowa, just as a start.

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Now you want to include 1997 too? You're jumping timeframes and killing your credibility here. :lol: :wink:
What is wrong with you? Even if we don't include 1997, your numbers don't add up. Also, Minnesota's 44 wins include 1997, the first year that Mason was there. I did that math too. Purdue didn't win 13 conference games in 1997. :lol: Seriously, you are undeniably wrong about this. You are literally arguing against a factual number. Do you need me to post the conference record for each year since 1997?

Oh, and of course 1997 counts. Since 1997 doesn't mean 1998+. If I say Purdue has been around since 1869, it means it started in 1869.

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Still find it interesting that you think Purdue is a better job than Michigan State or Iowa, just as a start.
Where did I say Purdue was a better job? It's slightly worse than MSU, and about equal with Iowa. I put them all in the blob of middle of the pack Big Ten teams, with some teams likely being slightly ahead but it's hard to rank it.

You are the worst person on this site to talk about football with, because it seems like half my time is spent correcting your errors on what my points are and other factual errors.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Tradition is an important element in college football.


College Conferences would tell you, you are wrong.



Money is one of the few things more important than tradition.

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Still find it interesting that you think Purdue is a better job than Michigan State or Iowa, just as a start.
Where did I say Purdue was a better job? It's slightly worse than MSU, and about equal with Iowa. I put them all in the blob of middle of the pack Big Ten teams, with some teams likely being slightly ahead but it's hard to rank it.

Did you see the name of this thread? The post of mine you responded to was directly talking about Doeren possibly leaving NIU for Purdue. I said I would hope he would learn from his predecessor and wait for a better job when he's in a pretty good spot right now.

You don't see how that correlates to = which job is a better job throughout this discussion? The entire time, when talking about "better programs", I mean a better job for potential coaches. Sorta like I said the entire time.


"Since" means after that date. Like "Purdue has been to one Rose Bowl since 1967". The answer is one, not two, because it doesn't include that year. It's actually pretty simple.

It's ok, you changed your timeframe, the same thing you freaked out about when you thought I did it, even though you were the one that was actually randomly selecting the timeframe. And of course, when you "change your timeframe", you are essentially ruining your credibility, just like you said to me.
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I'd hope Doeren wouldn't make the same mistake as Kill and leave a good team for a conference doormat.

Sometimes you just have to seize the moment.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Did you see the name of this thread? The post of mine you responded to was directly talking about Doeren possibly leaving NIU for Purdue. I said I would hope he would learn from his predecessor and wait for a better job when he's in a pretty good spot right now.

You don't see how that correlates to = which job is a better job throughout this discussion? The entire time, when talking about "better programs", I mean a better job for potential coaches. Sorta like I said the entire time.
Well, then say that. If Iowa fired their coach today, I think Doeren would seriously consider them. I don't know which he would choose. I think Purdue would get strong consideration too.

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"Since" means after that date. Like "Purdue has been to one Rose Bowl since 1967". The answer is one, not two, because it doesn't include that year. It's actually pretty simple.
It can be used both ways. The dictionary definition is "from then till now". So, since 1997 means "from 1997 till now".

Clearly, I was using 1997 because it was Joe Tiller's first year. I was not talking about 1998. No matter what, your number is still way off unless Purdue won 13 conference games in 1997.

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It's ok, you changed your timeframe, the same thing you freaked out about when you thought I did it, even though you were the one that was actually randomly selecting the timeframe. And of course, when you "change your timeframe", you are essentially ruining your credibility, just like you said to me.
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I didn't change my timeframe. You misunderstood me as a way to try and get out of it. The problem is that your 53 wins number is still way off. They'd have 60 conference wins, not 53, if we don't include 1997. Minnesota would have 43, since you know, the 44 conference wins you posted about INCLUDED 1997. :lol:

So, who is changing the time frame? Just admit you used the wrong Purdue numbers, but don't double down with some incorrect semantics argument.

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There are 3 classes of teams IMHO. Penn St. would be higher without penalties.
I think it's safe to say Purdue is a middle of the road team

Ohio St.
Michigan
Michigan St.
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Wisconsin

Penn St.
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There are 3 classes of teams IMHO. Penn St. would be higher without penalties.
I think it's safe to say Purdue is a middle of the road team

Ohio St.
Michigan
Michigan St.
Nebraska
Wisconsin

Penn St.
Purdue
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Iowa

Indiana
Minnesota
Illinois



That's not true. Illinois had an awful team this year, but they've been a better program than Indiana and Minnesota for most of recent history. If you're going by this year only, you need to move NU up, and in that case, you should just post the standings anyway.

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This is exhausting. My last post on this:

These programs/jobs are a better place than Purdue right now without a doubt, IMO:

OSU
Michigan
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Mich St
Iowa
Penn St
Northwestern


I'd think long and hard if I was coach that was offered equal $$ to take Minnesota vs. Purdue also.

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I was talking about my perceived quality of the job in general

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This is exhausting. My last post on this:

These programs/jobs are a better place than Purdue right now without a doubt, IMO:

OSU
Michigan
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Mich St
Iowa
Penn St
Northwestern


I'd think long and hard if I was coach that was offered equal $$ to take Minnesota vs. Purdue also.

No shit, I have sat here and read all of this drivel between you two, what a loser I am.

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This is exhausting. My last post on this:
:lol: Classic spanky. Keep on getting things wrong and then just ignore it when you can't get out of it.

Let's schedule another session for next week.

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This is exhausting. My last post on this:

These programs/jobs are a better place than Purdue right now without a doubt, IMO:

OSU
Michigan
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Mich St
Iowa
Penn St
Northwestern


I'd think long and hard if I was coach that was offered equal $$ to take Minnesota vs. Purdue also.



No way is the Northwestern job better than Purdue. NU has the perfect guy and they should hang onto him forever.

I would also argue that Iowa, Michigan State, and Wisconsin are on the same level. Penn State always was better, but given recent events it probably is not.

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This is exhausting. My last post on this:

These programs/jobs are a better place than Purdue right now without a doubt, IMO:

OSU
Michigan
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Mich St
Iowa
Penn St
Northwestern


I'd think long and hard if I was coach that was offered equal $$ to take Minnesota vs. Purdue also.

No shit, I have sat here and read all of this drivel between you two, what a loser I am.

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Arkansas is a better.......nah, let's not get crazy.

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This is exhausting. My last post on this:
:lol: Classic spanky. Keep on getting things wrong and then just ignore it when you can't get out of it.

Let's schedule another session for next week.

No, it's classic Brick. Jump into a discussion, argue about it, change what is actually being argued and then keep patting yourself on the back for winning something nobody was arguing about to begin with.

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Anyways, good luck to NIU. In all sincerity, I hope that the rumors around the coach don't negatively effect the team like it seemed to do for Ball State and Brady Hoke.

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Anyways, good luck to NIU. In all sincerity, I hope that the rumors around the coach don't negatively effect the team like it seemed to do for Ball State and Brady Hoke.

I will be all torn up over those rumors if I'm lucky enough to be in Miami watching them play the Seminoles in a month or so.

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I would also argue that Iowa, Michigan State, and Wisconsin are on the same level. Penn State always was better, but given recent events it probably is not.
Iowa is fascinating to me. They pay Ferentz nearly $4 million a year and reportedly his deal lasts another 7 or so years. If he's fired, he gets 75% of that paid monthly or about $3 million a year.

I'm pretty sure any other Big Ten team could get one hell of a coach for $4 million a year for 10 years.

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I would also argue that Iowa, Michigan State, and Wisconsin are on the same level. Penn State always was better, but given recent events it probably is not.
Iowa is fascinating to me. They pay Ferentz nearly $4 million a year and reportedly his deal lasts another 7 or so years. If he's fired, he gets 75% of that paid monthly or about $3 million a year.

I'm pretty sure any other Big Ten team could get one hell of a coach for $4 million a year for 10 years.


Ferentz's deal is until 2020 and if they were to buy him out, it would cost ~20M. Iowa is/was in a tough spot - it's hard to recruit kids there, Ferentz for years had the allure of the NFL in front of him and they are loyal to their coaches. They gave him a huge deal to keep him from jumping to the NFL after the 2008/9 years. The one thing I will say for him is that he is a great ambassador for the school. This was an absolute dumpster fire but here's hoping next year improves.


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spanky wrote:
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spanky wrote:
This is exhausting. My last post on this:

These programs/jobs are a better place than Purdue right now without a doubt, IMO:

OSU
Michigan
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Mich St
Iowa
Penn St
Northwestern


I'd think long and hard if I was coach that was offered equal $$ to take Minnesota vs. Purdue also.

No shit, I have sat here and read all of this drivel between you two, what a loser I am.

:lol:
Arkansas is a better.......nah, let's not get crazy.

Hey, I am not arguing with you, no need to takes shot at my team. :( :cry: My feelings are hurt!!!

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