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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:29 am 
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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
The play calling clearly indicated he was working to drain the clock and NOT run up the score.


Why couldn't he be doing both?

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Because if he was trying to run up the score he would have certainly made different play calls and used deferent personnel. He's using walk on scout team QBs and defensive tackles as a fullback... What more do you need to show he's not trying his best to get into the endzone??? This isn't rocket science folks.

Fitz hasn't been put in situations before where he has had as comfortable a lead as he had in this game. So maybe he wasn't perfect in deciding how all you whiners would interpret his actions... But apparently this is the only place on the interwebz claiming malfeasance. And I find it extremely odd given the facts of an 11 minute drive with backup personnel how anyone could claim he didn't handle the game with sportsmanship.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:16 am 
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Maybe Fitz is still angry about his team getting run over in this game?
The Illini had the great running game that day. I was wondering about that 4th & 6 call myself. Hey let's face it,winning 50-14 sounds better when thet get ranked.

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Oh no. The question is not whether he was motivated to run up the score, but rather is there evidence that he was trying to put more points on the board versus drain the clock. And it's pretty clear to anyone who objectively watched that game that Northwestern made every effort to keep that clock moving and utilize scrubs. Once again, knowing that NU went for it on fourth down in the 4Q simply isn't enough evidence that NU was trying to embarrass the other team. At the 37 you would be indifferent between a punt and a turnover on downs.

I suppose if I just got beat, I might look for reasons to tear down the other team/coach. And I suppose Fitz is an easy target? But while this is a rivalry game, I think the play calling clearly demonstrates that Northwestern was doing its best to drain the clock.

Just answer one simple question. If you are trying to put points on the board to embarrass, would you run it up the middle in I formation twice with a scrub Rudy player? Or would you hand it off to your star RB, Venric Mark.


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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
Just answer one simple question. If you are trying to put points on the board to embarrass, would you run it up the middle in I formation twice with a scrub Rudy player? Or would you hand it off to your star RB, Venric Mark.
If you were say, a coach who tells anyone who will listen how his program does it the right way and does it better than other schools(including Notre Dame), you'd want to do it in the most subtle way possible.

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Doesn't the beauty pageant of college football ranking require you to make your win as much of a win as it can be? (Unless the team sucks, in which case you don't get credit for a particularly winly win)

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Doesn't the beauty pageant of college football ranking require you to make your win as much of a win as it can be? (Unless the team sucks, in which case you don't get credit for a particularly winly win)
Not so much any more, as Notre Dame is proving this year.

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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
Oh no. The question is not whether he was motivated to run up the score, but rather is there evidence that he was trying to put more points on the board versus drain the clock. And it's pretty clear to anyone who objectively watched that game that Northwestern made every effort to keep that clock moving and utilize scrubs. Once again, knowing that NU went for it on fourth down in the 4Q simply isn't enough evidence that NU was trying to embarrass the other team. At the 37 you would be indifferent between a punt and a turnover on downs.

I suppose if I just got beat, I might look for reasons to tear down the other team/coach. And I suppose Fitz is an easy target? But while this is a rivalry game, I think the play calling clearly demonstrates that Northwestern was doing its best to drain the clock.

Just answer one simple question. If you are trying to put points on the board to embarrass, would you run it up the middle in I formation twice with a scrub Rudy player? Or would you hand it off to your star RB, Venric Mark.


:lol: OK, MUD. I'm not looking to tear anybody down.

Let me ask you a question. What if Rudy hadn't fumbled and scored the TD? Nobody had any reason to believe that Illinois was going to stop him or anybody else they stuck out there. It's not like they had done it before. So, now they did an 11 minute drive, throwing on 4th and 6 out to the sideline, having their 5th string DT run the ball to put them up 55-14. Does it still appear that Fitz did everything he could to just drain the clock or perhaps just twist the knife a little on a horrible, horrible team?

I think Fitz is smart enough to understand how that might look.

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I think every non-Illini fan in the country looks at the box score and sees "0" offensive points scored in the 4th quarter and probably understands what actually happened.

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I think every non-Illini fan in the country looks at the box score and sees "0" offensive points scored in the 4th quarter and probably understands what actually happened.


Alright. I guess Fitz just told the guy to fumble, then, so there would be a 0 in the box score to inform the county in simple fashion.

I wish the fat guy would have made it to the endzone and then Fitz would have onside kicked. But that's just me.

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spanky wrote:
I think every non-Illini fan in the country looks at the box score and sees "0" offensive points scored in the 4th quarter and probably understands what actually happened.


Alright. I guess Fitz just told the guy to fumble, then, so there would be a 0 in the box score to inform the county in simple fashion.

I wish the fat guy would have made it to the endzone and then Fitz would have onside kicked. But that's just me.

I just think it's a real stretch to complain about somebody running it up so badly when.......they didn't score for the last 25+% of the game.

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spanky wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
spanky wrote:
I think every non-Illini fan in the country looks at the box score and sees "0" offensive points scored in the 4th quarter and probably understands what actually happened.


Alright. I guess Fitz just told the guy to fumble, then, so there would be a 0 in the box score to inform the county in simple fashion.

I wish the fat guy would have made it to the endzone and then Fitz would have onside kicked. But that's just me.

I just think it's a real stretch to complain about somebody running it up so badly when.......they didn't score for the last 25+% of the game.


You're confusing result with intention. Just because he may not have succeeded doesn't mean you can't see what was being done.

This discussion is way too blown out of proportion. IMO, most coaches would have kicked or ran up the gut on 4th and 6 up 34. He didn't. I don't think it's an outrageous decision on his part. It got about a shrug from me, like, "Oh, looks like Fitz want to grind it in a bit" and didn't really think about it again. That's football. That was probably an 90%/10% decision and Fitz is in the 10% category, again, IMO.

I'm just kind of fascinated that MUD is so fired up about it. It doesn't seem like a big deal either way but I guess I'm wrong.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
This discussion is way too blown out of proportion.

This part I agree with.

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Did Kyle Prater play in the fourth quarter?

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It seems that the disagreement, with me at least, lies in this idea of "running up the score". I don't think he was trying to score and score and score.

It's humiliating to a team as a whole for a defense to not be able to get off the field - to be manhandled and unable to stop the opponent. NW was stomping Illinois on that drive and just when you think you have them stopped, they throw a pass on 4th and 6 and then continue to pound you into the ground. That's not running up the score. It's just a mental and physical domination of the opponent. Fitz could have just punted and called it off but made a decision to continue to stomp them. Illinois couldn't stop it and that's not Fitz's fault. That's all.

I just thought it was an interesting decision on Fitz's part. And it was a decision because at no point in that drive was the game in danger. In fact, you could argue that the riskiest thing they could have done was throw that pass that could have easily been a walk-in Pick 6 - an outcome far more likely than a blocked short punt or PR for a TD.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Did Kyle Prater play in the fourth quarter?

He was tending to his sick relative.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Did Kyle Prater play in the fourth quarter?


No idea. But keep in mind he does not start. I'm not sure he is on the two deep. He's only caught a handful of passes all year.


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