You can say whatever you want, and you can think whatever you want. You would be 100% dead wrong to put any of this loss on the quarterback for the Bears.

That's the problem though. When the Bears win with Cutler having below average results everyone just says "All he does is win!". You can't have it both ways. If this loss isn't on Cutler, then many of his wins aren't on Cutler either.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

You have become the champion of "All he does is win" for Cutler. You need to own it when he doesn't win if that is what you are rolling with.

It's more fun to be a victim

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All he does is win is not my point, and it hasn't been for sometime.

There are problems on the team. Sometimes the QB is a problem. A lot of the times this year its not been a problem. Yesterday was one of those times. You refuse to recognize that for whatever reason.

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You still haven't acknowledged my point. Maybe a New Yorker just cannot understand something so simple.

IMO if the offense scored 20 points the Bears would win most games with their defense. Tice and his play calling may be to blame for some of it but the majority of the blame is on the players for not executing.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Bennett's dropped TD and Lovie not kicking the FG left 10 points on the field.

The offense scoring 14 points before Cutler's 50 yard strike to Marshall in triple coverage had something to do with the Bears being in that position. The Seahawks didn't play great defense and the Bears generally had time to pass yesterday.

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The Bears had a 4 point lead and forced a team with a rookie QB to go 97 yards with less than 3 minutes to go in the game. The D couldn't get it done.

Then after a miracle pass, the D allows an 80 yard TD drive in overtime. Even if they hold to a FG the Bears still have a chance to win.

I was just pointing out that a little more production from the offense and we're not even having this debate.

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I agree. Matt Forte and his 3 YPC is not getting it done. The TE's are brutal and anytime a WR that is not wearing #15 wants to step up and make a play that would be great.

I would argue that Bennett is usually productive when he's on the field. Problem is he isn't usually on the field.

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With a year left on a five-year deal that pays $8.47 million in 2013, Cutler said he'd consider taking a "hometown discount" to remain with the Bears because less money in a contract would mean more flexibility for the team in its efforts to acquire talent.

"I'm not gonna try to break the bank," Cutler said on ESPN 1000's "The Jay Cutler Show."

The discussion came as a result of Cutler's co-host Tom Waddle suggesting the quarterback take a veteran-minimum type of salary in his new deal.

"What kind of discount we talkin'?" Cutler asked.

Waddle replied, "50 percent off."

"Ah, c'mon," Cutler said, laughing. "We can talk like 5 or 10 (percent off), but 50? This isn't a going-out-of-business sale."

After the jokes, Cutler revealed he's thought about taking less money in a new deal because as a seven-year veteran, the quarterback has already earned plenty of money.

"I want to be on a successful team, and I know that paying one or two or three players premium (salaries) hurts your chances of being able to bring in extra talent," Cutler said. "So when we get there, we'll figure it out."

Cutler said he and receiver Brandon Marshall discussed how the desire to win eventually takes precedence over salary demands. Cutler and Marshall connected 10 times for 165 yards Sunday in the club's overtime loss to the Seattle Seahawks. Apparently Cutler wants to ensure he and Marshall remain together for years to come.

"I don't think I should even be saying stuff like this. I'm killing myself right now," Cutler joked. "I'm breaking the bank. Let's go back; rewind. (Agent) Bus (Cook) is gonna text me (saying), 'What are you doing right now?'"

According to a source close to Cutler, the sides haven't even started preliminary discussions on a new contract for the quarterback. General manager Phil Emery said in October that the team's preference is to engage in negotiations during the offseason.

Cutler would also prefer to discuss a new contract at the end of the season as opposed to now.

"You get to a point in your career I think it's not even about money," Cutler said. "You're secure. You want to win Super Bowls."

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http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/8706011/jay-cutler-ponders-hometown-discount-chicago-bears

He sounds rightfully concerned that the Bears may go another direction if he's too expensive.

No. I didn't read it that way. He might be a little nervous that it won't happen his offseason and he'll play out his deal. What he wants is that next signing bonus knowing he's had a few concussions. That's why he wants it done this offseason.

The price is pretty much set. He's not a top 5 QB. He's also not a bottom 15 QB. It's pretty much gonna be a 4 years extension worth about 65-70 million. The signing bonus will be the issue. He probably wants 20 million guarenteed. Bears will want it around 12 million. It will end up being 17 or so. Something like that. It will get done in the offseason for sure.

Where are you getting $14M-$15M/year? At most, his contract will be 4/$50M.